Hydrostatic shock

[Ploddy Paul]

So I shot this fallow doe this morning normal chest shot, expected it to drop but it ran about 40 yds. Went to collect and found this, it's underneath between the back legs. My learned friend said hydrostatic shock. Agreed? How? No massive damage to chest area but when cut the sternum lot of blood under pressure. 6.5 Yewtree bullet at about 2750 FPS. Interested if others have had anything similar. Paul

 

[Mike L]

Is there damage between this area and the strike point?

 

[Ploddy Paul]

The insides seemed a bit disturbed but nothing burst. Couldn’t see anything on the outside

 

[Buchan]

If this was a chest shot and it ran as described, the pumping action of the running could have forced blood through the tissue planes between the muscle layers. I've had similar when I dragged a carcass out of sight of the road

 

[.25-06]

That appears to be the opposite of hydrostatic shock. You've cut (hacked or the dog chewed) through the middle of the milk glands, cut a little further and you will be against the muscle wall which will be clean like the 2 patches of inner leg muscle showing.

 

[Ploddy Paul]

No nothing cut, that was as I walked up and found it. In the photo it’s back at the chiller but nothing cut in the photo.

 

[Rob-E]

No nothing cut, that was as I walked up and found it. In the photo it’s back at the chiller but nothing cut in the photo.

So that huge wound was just on the underside of the deer without your input at all, (aside from shooting it)?

 

[HonestJohn]

I’m not sure your learned friends knows what hydrostatic shock means

 

[grandad of the woods]

So that huge wound was just on the underside of the deer without your input at all, (aside from shooting it)?

Surely not looks like a dog has tried to chew of its little deer parts hahaha

 

[Mike L]

Surely that’s been cut with a knife.

 

[User00056]

I've shot a lot of deer, but I've never seen a bullet do that

Could it have caught itself on something as it ran?

 

[HonestJohn]

I've shot a lot of deer, but I've never seen a bullet do that

Perhaps blood shot from the incision?

 

[VSS]

No nothing cut, that was as I walked up and found it. In the photo it’s back at the chiller but nothing cut in the photo.

So it's udder has fallen off?
That's not so silly as it sounds.
I've seen it many times in ewes with mastitis, where the infected udder becomes isolated from the surrounding tissue and sloughs away, leaving an area of apparently healthy looking tissue that doesn't heal over.
No idea whether something similar could have happened to your doe, but it would be interesting to know what the lymph nodes were like.
What do the edges of the skin look like around the wound? Fresh cut, or do they appear to be rolled under?

Either that or it damaged itself running after being shot (fence?), but if so it's managed to leave a substantial chunk of itself behind, which you would have seen.

It's not hydrostatic shock, whatever.

 

[grandad of the woods]

So it's udder has fallen off?
That's not so silly as it sounds.
I've seen it many times in ewes with mastitis, where the infected udder becomes isolated from the surrounding tissue and sloughs away, leaving an area of apparently healthy looking tissue that doesn't heal over.
No idea whether something similar could have happened to your doe, but it would be interesting to know what the lymph nodes were like.
What do the edges of the skin look like around the wound? Fresh cut, or do they appear to be rolled under?

Either that or it damaged itself running after being shot (fence?), but if so it's managed to leave a substantial chunk of itself behind, which you would have seen.

It's not hydrostatic shock, whatever.

To be fair that snot a bad suggestion my cat mastitis and left a opening almost like it had caught itself on barbed wire

 

[User00056]

So it's udder has fallen off?
That's not so silly as it sounds.
I've seen it many times in ewes with mastitis, where the infected udder becomes isolated from the surrounding tissue and sloughs away, leaving an area of apparently healthy looking tissue that doesn't heal over.

You'd expect to see some necrosis though, surely? And a mastitis that bad would lead to an overall loss in body condition I'd have thought?

Certainly sounds plausible though.

 

[HonestJohn]

So there was no incision? Ie, began to gralloch, it was found like that? In that case what VSS says might well be plausible

 

[Buchan]

So it's udder has fallen off?
That's not so silly as it sounds.
I've seen it many times in ewes with mastitis, where the infected udder becomes isolated from the surrounding tissue and sloughs away, leaving an area of apparently healthy looking tissue that doesn't heal over.
No idea whether something similar could have happened to your doe, but it would be interesting to know what the lymph nodes were like.
What do the edges of the skin look like around the wound? Fresh cut, or do they appear to be rolled under?

Either that or it damaged itself running after being shot (fence?), but if so it's managed to leave a substantial chunk of itself behind, which you would have seen.

It's not hydrostatic shock, whatever.

Except those edges look too fresh. With a necrotic mastitis, I'd expect some manky edges. I assumed the OP had started the gralloch at the back, but apparently not so maybe that explanation is correct.

 

[Mickeydredd]

I assumed the OP had started the gralloch at the back, but apparently not so maybe that explanation is correct.

That’s what I thought too. I have seen a Roe that was chest shot and the bullet diverted (presumably off a rib) and unzipped the belly as if gralloched, but it also did some gut damage.
Not sure if similar could result in the OP pic and not do gut damage so not sure if that could be the reason.

 

[hoodwink]

That’s not the deer you shot, maybe.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Well that isn’t hydrostatic shock for a start.

Looks more like a fence injury. Is there a patch of skin missing ?