Agree with comments on here reference hydrostatic shock. Bleed if your going to leave it on the ground for a while. Gralloching vertically helps with the blood movement, as does splitting the sternum, which means nothing is potentially left inside. Possibly look at you load / bullet for other options to reduce the shock.
What am I doing wrong ? bleeding.
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paulbshooting
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I would shoot with some standard weight lead bullets and compare. Damage and some issues is why I switched back to lead. I don't do neck and head shots, and am happy on what I am getting from lead for H&L shots, plus quicker more humane kills, but the deer dog is missing the harder followups! If foot stalking I suspend gralloch straight after shot. That helps too
Leec6.5
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Of an animal runs you’re going to get blood up the flank!
You have blown a hole in its rib cage, if you make a hole in one side and a whole out of the other blood is going to Leek there for a certain amount of blood will go behind the shoulder and up the flank that matters not if you use copper or lead!
Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn’t, personally having used to Fox 130’s in my 270 , and shot best part of 200 animals with every animal I dropped on the spot by shooting a shoulder or thereabouts equals, no blood of the flank, simply is moral of the story you don’t want blood bust, shoulders, or neck shoot end of subject
Meat damage is negligible by aiming a bit further up in a bit further forward!
You have blown a hole in its rib cage, if you make a hole in one side and a whole out of the other blood is going to Leek there for a certain amount of blood will go behind the shoulder and up the flank that matters not if you use copper or lead!
Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn’t, personally having used to Fox 130’s in my 270 , and shot best part of 200 animals with every animal I dropped on the spot by shooting a shoulder or thereabouts equals, no blood of the flank, simply is moral of the story you don’t want blood bust, shoulders, or neck shoot end of subject
Meat damage is negligible by aiming a bit further up in a bit further forward!
If you’ve never shot a roe and ended up discarding the entire front end or letting your mutt chew on it, you’re unlikely to have shot many.
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Even though I have used the same ammo for years, I still find meat damage a bit random. If you hit bone (rib or shoulder) you can cause more damage. Then there is always the far side shoulder which cannot be seen and could be in a different position from the near side. As long as the loin, fillet and haunches are OK, I don't worry too much, any other good meat just gets minced anyway.
I had the same on a recent roe, though this was with lead factory out of the .308. Dropped it on the spot with a H+L shot broadside on, bled and suspended gralloch within probably 5 minutes or so. Had to then put it in the sack to walk it off the farm which happened almost immediately after the gralloch and I had similar blood spread from entry/exit across both shoulders and along the flanks. My assumption was this was due to being put in the sack (decathlon game bag) and carried out for 10/20mins as opposed to left to drip for longer. After skinning I wiped most away though binned the shoulders as not worth the risk of fragments of any kind in my opinion.
Some trimming/wiping with both dry cloth and some lightly damp cloths seemed to sort most of the problem
Glad you have been able to get some again now mate
Some trimming/wiping with both dry cloth and some lightly damp cloths seemed to sort most of the problem
Glad you have been able to get some again now mate
Hook'N'Bullet
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Why'd you bother bleeding an animal that has been chest shot? Bullet has already done the job for you
for me, I usually still get some blood come out of the bleed. plus when suspended it seems to drain while im doing the rest of the gralloch. This may not be happening but it appears to be which is good enough for me
None of this looks out of the ordinary, lead or copper.
Sometimes we all get a messy one , if your getting that consistently ........ Change ammo and or adjust your placement . I have no experience with Fox ammo only various lead for many years and the TTSX copper for the last few .
I do bleed but not much generally comes out. However, as I gralloch on the ground it does keep the ground cleaner round my feet.
I also like a base of neck shot where range and presentation allows. Particularly with Sika because I think the ribs make good eating and it's nice to have them intact and clean.
I treat them all the same as you will be opening the neck/throat cutting the head off at some point..
Then it will be hanging in a chiller in a short time so the less fluid in there the less to deal with at home.
You leave a 5th of the deer in the field when you clean it out so why not a the excess blood.!
It is like changing the oil in the truck and not doing the filter
I used to have terrible damage on roe with my .308 when using Sako 123 grn Gamekings. Masses of black jellified haemorrhaging around the entry wound and up to the shoulder joint. Switched to 150 grn Hornady Interbond and the improvement was massive. I now use 150 grn V-max and they're very good as well, despite being quite hard hitters.
Leec6.5
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The big problem with people is, they think light and fast is good, in my personal experience, the correct bullet for the gun is key!
130 grain for the 270
150 grain for the 308
150/180 grain for the 3006
140 grains, put the 6.5 x 55.
The Creedmoor doesn’t have an opinion because it’s shite
Light and fast equals bullet damage and mass haemorrhage And that is with the lead or copper
Deal with the trajectory that the gun is supposed to do not try and gain an inch by dropping down light.
Pointless words of wisdom because none of you will listen, but there you go
130 grain for the 270
150 grain for the 308
150/180 grain for the 3006
140 grains, put the 6.5 x 55.
The Creedmoor doesn’t have an opinion because it’s shite
Light and fast equals bullet damage and mass haemorrhage And that is with the lead or copper
Deal with the trajectory that the gun is supposed to do not try and gain an inch by dropping down light.
Pointless words of wisdom because none of you will listen, but there you go
Just checking where you stand on 95gn out of 6.5x284 - you seem a little on the fence? Asking for a friend
This side of the fence the 150 game king heads are in the .270 chamber (not to be confused with pi ss pot chamber pot rest of them)
To be fair, I didn't choose 123 grn Gameheads because they were fast or flat but because it was in the middle of the ammunition shortages of the Obama era and the Sakos were about the only reliably available option for me as I don't home load and they shot well in my rifle.The big problem with people is, they think light and fast is good, in my personal experience, the correct bullet for the gun is key!
130 grain for the 270
150 grain for the 308
150/180 grain for the 3006
140 grains, put the 6.5 x 55.
The Creedmoor doesn’t have an opinion because it’s shite
Light and fast equals bullet damage and mass haemorrhage And that is with the lead or copper
Deal with the trajectory that the gun is supposed to do not try and gain an inch by dropping down light.
Pointless words of wisdom because none of you will listen, but there you go
And on the subject of Gamekings, I occasionally saw rumen and liver damage when the bullet path indicated that there shouldn't have been. I never knew whether it was due to bullet fragmentation withing the cavity or whether a vacuum effect had sucked other organs into the wound channel. But I've rarely seen it since unless the shot placement was adrift.
Catching the liver will produce a lot of bleeding.
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