I suspect an admin c0ck up and failure to update the templates, which only just got spotted
6.5 Creedmoor banned on MOD ranges
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Trouble is, it will be impossible to update the templates for most ranges. There will have been residential housing encroaching on the danger area over the years and it is now impossible to enlarge it. Look at a satellite picture of the Bisley danger area, for example. Dense housing right up to the edges all around. All this has been known about for years, of course. But now, one bright spark has decided to actually make a noise about it and the can of worms has been opened....
That is what I believe to be correct
The last update I can find from DIO says
- The use of 6.5mm Creedmoor by NRA Clubs is restricted to fixed ranges with a 3700m danger area
- As part of the planning process and range recce, Club Officials and RCOs must check the suitability of the range for the intended shooting activity. Consult Range Standing Orders and refer questions to the Training Safety Officer (TSO)
- Note local restrictions may apply on fixed ranges; not all ranges that permit the use of 8.59mm by qualified military users are approved for civilian use of 6.5mm Creedmoor
Are there any military gallery ranges with such a template?
You are correct Chris, the 338 template does not effect being able to use the 6.5’s and all are still prohibited as far as the last communication I saw.
trickie
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Thanks.
But no mention of ammunition restrictions, only the need for a list of firearm types along with calibre for prior approval. I guess the Range Standing Orders would mention it.
These are the last official mentions I have mentioning the 6.5 specifically.
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Rookandrabbit
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Just received this via e mail from my club secretary. It’s regarding Altcar MOD Ranges in Merseyside. Lots of common chamberings missing from this list 
Including my brand new 6.5 Creedmoor
!
Including my brand new 6.5 Creedmoor
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ChesterP
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Utter bonkers bureaucracy! The question should be "have they considered bc/distance calcs for all current calibres used on mod ranges?" I find it hard to believe that most 6.5 chamberings could pose more of a risk than high BC 7mm Rem mag rounds, 270 Winchester or similar and thought that the HME restrictions were in place on some ranges for the very reason that they exceeded current template requirements for the ranges concerned? Seems more of a box ticking exercise by a bored MOD analyst because they've just discovered that there are some very high G7 BC bullets available in 6.5CM, yet those are unlikely to be launched any faster than in their 270 or 7mm counterparts.
Surely the obvious solution is to restrict bullet BC/MV's in 6.5 such that they do comply with each ranges specific templates? Or is that just too much common sense brought to bare?
Surely the obvious solution is to restrict bullet BC/MV's in 6.5 such that they do comply with each ranges specific templates? Or is that just too much common sense brought to bare?
So is this self imposed by the club, or does it originate from Altcar themselves?Just received this via e mail from my club secretary. It’s regarding Altcar MOD Ranges in Merseyside. Lots of common chamberings missing from this list
Including my brand new 6.5 Creedmoor
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Rookandrabbit
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@GGG thank you for your question. As far as I can understand this is a directive from the MOD Range at Altcar itself.
The information being disseminated to club members by the secretary of the club.
As you can clearly see there are lots of common chambering missing from the list!
It states that any other calibres MUST NOT BE USED!!!
I have NOT queried the e mail just taken its contents for what they were!!!
I am unable to use my 6.5 CREEDMOOR at either Altcar or Sealand ranges, thankfully there are still Diggle and Calton Moor ranges available .
The information being disseminated to club members by the secretary of the club.
As you can clearly see there are lots of common chambering missing from the list!
It states that any other calibres MUST NOT BE USED!!!
I have NOT queried the e mail just taken its contents for what they were!!!
I am unable to use my 6.5 CREEDMOOR at either Altcar or Sealand ranges, thankfully there are still Diggle and Calton Moor ranges available .
Hi,@GGG thank you for your question. As far as I can understand this is a directive from the MOD Range at Altcar itself.
The information being disseminated to club members by the secretary of the club.
As you can clearly see there are lots of common chambering missing from the list!
It states that any other calibres MUST NOT BE USED!!!
I have NOT queried the e mail just taken its contents for what they were!!!
I am unable to use my 6.5 CREEDMOOR at either Altcar or Sealand ranges, thankfully there are still Diggle and Calton Moor ranges available .
As far as I’m aware, the paperwork required to be submitted to the range by the club ask users to specify calibres to be used. The club then submits accordingly, obviously omitting 6.5 variants as required by Landmarc/MOD. I’m not aware that any other calibres within the range parameters are banned so the decision to omit calibres may have been driven by your club rather than the range.
I’d be asking your club officials in the first instance.
Has this clusterfeck originated from Altcar?
IIRC it's new MoD form 1931 clubs have to submit with the CCSAAF.
Here's the link from above.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...24-07_Use_of_MOD_Ranges_by_Civilian_Clubs.pdf
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phaedra
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Yes, it's just a civilian version of the previous SAAF form (1930)
They no longer list "OME, Weapons, Platform. Lasers"
It now lists "Firearms, Ammunition"
DOSR/RN/2024-07 Specifies the following as an example,
What Activity. A pithy description of what your activity is.
What Equipment.
Firearms. List firearms being used including calibre and type, for example:
Iron-sighted rifles: 7.62x51; .303”; 7.92mm Mauser
Scope sighted rifles: .223”; .270”; 6mmBR; .308” Win
Muzzle-loading rifles: various up to .577”
Ammunition - Enter ammunition natures be used during the activity, e.g.
solid lead or jacketed lead core ball
There is no specific list of calibers/chamberings, anything (excluding 6.5mm) that fully complies with Range Orders (MV and ME limits) can be used.
They no longer list "OME, Weapons, Platform. Lasers"
It now lists "Firearms, Ammunition"
DOSR/RN/2024-07 Specifies the following as an example,
What Activity. A pithy description of what your activity is.
What Equipment.
Firearms. List firearms being used including calibre and type, for example:
Iron-sighted rifles: 7.62x51; .303”; 7.92mm Mauser
Scope sighted rifles: .223”; .270”; 6mmBR; .308” Win
Muzzle-loading rifles: various up to .577”
Ammunition - Enter ammunition natures be used during the activity, e.g.
solid lead or jacketed lead core ball
There is no specific list of calibers/chamberings, anything (excluding 6.5mm) that fully complies with Range Orders (MV and ME limits) can be used.
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