Lead update.
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Conor O'Gorman
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As detailed in the HSE recommendations report and updated background report on its website the percentages arose from NRA consultation responses. As regards enforcement this has been briefly looked at and involves updated guidance and checks.How is this to be policed to ensure compliance of best practice and has best practice been documented ?
Given the military has ended its inspection and certification scheme for civilian ranges.
A range can be as simple as any land over which one has authority to shoot and adequate insurance.
lots of private operated ranges take advantage of this, how was 95% determined.
Firearms
Home Office circular 031 / 2006 Firearms Broad subject: Crime and Disorder Issue date: Mon Oct 23 00:00:00 BST 2006 From: Crime Reduction…www.gov.uk
Smellydog
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Just found some of the guideline info pack, still isn't clear what the materials were though,
3
containers to carry to field sites and use a tube, spade or scoop to place peanuts in
traps/bait points.
• Disinfect any equipment that is handled (e.g. cages), and which badgers may come
into contact with, between setts.
• Waste must be removed from field sites and discarded in appropriate waste bins or
sacks.
The Guide
What you must do Important advice
1. Firearms and
ammunition
Cage trapped badgers can
only be dispatched with a
12-bore shotgun using
appropriate frangible
(‘reduced hazard’)
ammunition (see
Frangible Ammunition
below).
The use of an automatic or semi-
automatic weapon (ie one with a
magazine capable of holding more
than two rounds) is prohibited under
the ‘81 Act and there will be a
presumption against licensing these
for culling badgers. However, it will
be permissible to use a semi-
automatic shotgun that is restricted
to holding one cartridge in the
chamber and two in the magazine
(for which a certificate is required
under section 2 of the Firearms Act
1968).
2. Frangible
ammunition
Frangible ammunition is designed
to disintegrate on impact. Defra has
developed a frangible 12 bore low-
powered 2 ¾ in (70mm) cartridge
designed to minimise the risks of
ricochet and splash-back, whilst
ensuring a humane kill at close
range. Use of such a cartridge in a
long-barrelled firearm, such as a
shotgun, further reduces the hazard
of splash-back.
Suitable frangible ammunition is not
available ‘off-the–shelf’, so licence
coordinators will need to arrange
access to an authorised supplier.
I've got some non-magnetic stainless tumbler pins!
Rewulf
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Its also ridiculously expensive
You and the HSE do appreciate there are numerous private ranges and commercial ranges that operate and have absolutely nothing to do with the NRA as to how they are constructed or operated.
checks by who?
That 95% is probably about as accurate as my shooting
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Smellydog
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Unbelievable, absolute bat **** crazy country.....
ContinShots
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You don't need good reason to own a S2 gun.
ContinShots
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The notion that Brexit was going to lead to better firearms laws and rights in the UK was always a laughable notion. The rest of Europe is more pro gun than the UK almost across the board Leaving the EU leaves us at even more risk from the anti-shooting brigade and it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that that would be the case.
Whitefront
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Interestingly, most of the crap environmental legislation we are burdened with originated in the EUSSR.
Conor O'Gorman
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Not sure what you mean by 'you and the HSE..." as those figures are nothing to do with me personally. Have you considered that all these 'numerous ranges and commercial ranges' you refer to would have already made representations to NRA and/or HSE over the last 3 years of the review? If the HSE recommendations were made law all these numerous ranges that you seem to be are aware of, but that have not been up to speed with the last 3 years of review nor engaged in it, would have 2 years transition period to put in place the required de-leading protocols.You and the HSE do appreciate there are numerous private ranges and commercial ranges that operate and have absolutely nothing to do with the NRA as to how they are constructed or operated.
checks by who?
That 95% is probably about as accurate as my shooting
Got to love an optimistic view.
Would be interesting to know the breakdown of who responded to the HSE public consultation so I have asked via a FOI request, let’s see how they reply, 20days they say.
Thank you for contacting the Health and Safety Executive’s (HSE) Central Disclosure Unit…………….
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Conor O'Gorman
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It's not an optimistic view, it's in black and white in the HSE recommendations thanks to the input of range owners, individual shooters and shooting organisations over the last three years; ie. target shooting with lead rifle ammunition will continue on the vast majority of ranges.
did not say it would not, did I?
but did suggest not all ranges are anything to do with the NRA so was referencing your statement, “As regards enforcement this has been briefly looked at and involves updated guidance and checks.”
and asking who will do the checks, which then follows on who will pay for them?
guidance is fine as like the police do with the HO statutory firearms guidance, we can just ignore bits we do not like.
Conor O'Gorman
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I am not interested in an argument on this TBH and your grandstanding and sarky tone is becoming tiresome albeit I appreciate it is an emotive subject for you. As far as HSE recommendations go, target shooting with lead rifle ammunition will continue on the vast majority of ranges. Maybe watch the NGO video if you need an outlet - there are tumbleweeds as feedback currently on that thread.
I am also not looking for an argument just an appreciation that civilian ranges no longer operate like they did years back when they were inspected by the MOD who certified them and what could or could not be shot on them.
So it’s not an unreasonable question to ask who will check them for compliance to the lead restriction proposal,
Surly if that is what the proposal is requiring then the who and frequency of the checks must have been considered and costed.
As somebody helping at a club range I think it not unreasonable to ask.
not seen NGO video and no interest in doing so.
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Conor O'Gorman
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Perhaps ask the NRA. Why have you no interest in the NGO video?
Conor with all due respect and having read pages 18 and 19 of the HSE proposal what is not being understood is that private civilian ranges DO NOT have to be accountable to the NRA or any shooting organisations. They are nothing to do with the NRA so why would we ask them? In fact they are nothing to do with the police either.
Interesting to note the proposal costs other items e.g re-barrelling 0.8 million but no cost for setting up and operating an “enforcement authority” for civilian ranges.
Why no interest in the NGO video as I guess it will be more propaganda about how wonderful the lead restrictions are, when in the real world it’s not so wonderful.
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