First Hunting with Dogs Conviction

[FrenchieBoy]

Did any of you guys see this video or witness this "Incident"?
According to the report (If it's accurate and true) on the video people who phoned in to report it were told to call 101 as it didn't warrant a 999 call?

 

[Ratel]

Only one answer Frenchie, fight fire with fire. If the law can't be bothered. Hold on. ... you can't do that to these people they are misunderstood we would get into trouble for trying to stop them.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

Only one answer Frenchie, fight fire with fire. If the law can't be bothered. Hold on. ... you can't do that to these people they are misunderstood we would get into trouble for trying to stop them.

Or the police are frightened of them! Ah, but hold on a minute, the police are no doubt too busy chasing after people who post messages on Public Media that might offend someone!

 

[Ratel]

Or the police are frightened of them! Ah, but hold on a minute, the police are no doubt too busy chasing after people who post messages on Public Media that might offend someone!

Bet they would turn up quick if a whole caravan site was on fire.

 

[TringSaint]

One of the things that some landowners do around here is to string wires up across the fields where the dog boys go - high enough to allow a hare to go under but low enough to catch a lurcher!
Can’t be easily seen with a torch either - seems to work ok.

Thing is, what these people are doing is not hare coursing, it’s hare or deer killing. Having been to a lot of legally run coursing meetings back before the ban, and having a friend who was a well regarded slipper, the aim of coursing wasn’t to kill the hare, more to use the hare to test the speed and agility of the two dogs against each other.
If the slipper did their job well then the dogs would get close to the hare and it would then turn them repeatedly until they tired and it ran off. Kills were only when not enough lead was given to the hare, it stumbled or it couldn’t escape - maybe 3-4 killed in a whole day of coursing.
These coursing clubs would also repatriate hares from areas where there were too many to areas where there weren’t enough, with huge teams of people involved in catch and release programmes - conservation was as much on the agenda as coursing was.

These guys aren’t about the ‘sport’ they just want to see their dogs kill and that is a totally different mentality.

 

[FrenchieBoy]

One of the things that some landowners do around here is to string wires up across the fields where the dog boys go - high enough to allow a hare to go under but low enough to catch a lurcher!
Can’t be easily seen with a torch either - seems to work ok.

Thing is, what these people are doing is not hare coursing, it’s hare or deer killing. Having been to a lot of legally run coursing meetings back before the ban, and having a friend who was a well regarded slipper, the aim of coursing wasn’t to kill the hare, more to use the hare to test the speed and agility of the two dogs against each other.
If the slipper did their job well then the dogs would get close to the hare and it would then turn them repeatedly until they tired and it ran off. Kills were only when not enough lead was given to the hare, it stumbled or it couldn’t escape - maybe 3-4 killed in a whole day of coursing.
These coursing clubs would also repatriate hares from areas where there were too many to areas where there weren’t enough, with huge teams of people involved in catch and release programmes - conservation was as much on the agenda as coursing was.

These guys aren’t about the ‘sport’ they just want to see their dogs kill and that is a totally different mentality.

Completely agree! I went to a couple of meetings of The Waterloo Cup when it was legal and watched some very fine coursing with very few hares being killed thanks to the skill of the "slippers"!

 

[kenbro]

The OP says anyone with a shred of respect would never run a lurcher, but that’s wrong.

OP didn’t say never run a lurcher, he said never against a roe.
Ken.

 

[Rake Aboot]

And why not ?
He actually said anyone with a shred or respect for quarry ( deer) would never run a dog on it
That’s simply not true

 

[Bomag]

I always understood the Waterloo cup was run with greyhounds not lurchers, not all long dogs are regarded the same.

 

[TringSaint]

I always understood the Waterloo cup was run with greyhounds not lurchers, not all long dogs are regarded the same.

Indeed. We used to course with greyhounds and my friend used to slip greyhounds, whippets, saluki’s and deer hounds onto hares at meets across the east of England and Cotswolds.
Never was a lurcher slipped at a meet!

 

[sauer]

Why would you put wire up to nail the lurcher ?
Imagine running into that at full pelt ? Damage injury that could cause ...
Are there folk on here who advocate an animal suffering like that?

Dogs only doing what is natural and bred Into them

It's the owner handlers not the dog !


Paul

 

[TringSaint]

Why would you put wire up to nail the lurcher ?
Imagine running into that at full pelt ? Damage injury that could cause ...
Are there folk on here who advocate an animal suffering like that?

Dogs only doing what is natural and bred Into them

It's the owner handlers not the dog !


Paul

I guess it’s the same as putting razor wire on the top of a security fence. If you try to climb over it then you are likely to get hurt - that’s your issue and you have to take responsibility for your actions and the implications for you and your dog.

Re the wire, it’s typically placed in rows that are not too far apart so the aim is to stop the dog from being able to chase more than it is to garrotte the dog.

If you consider that the options open to a sheep farmer for a dog chasing and attacking their flock includes shooting the dog, at what point might there be a change of viewpoint relating to wildlife crime such as this where the same could happen?

Not saying it should happen, but the difference in acts is solely down to the ‘ownership’ of the animal being chased / attacked, not the act itself.

 

[sauer]

"..
I guess it’s the same as putting razor wire on the top of a security fence. If you try to climb over it then you are likely to get hurt - that’s your issue and you have to take responsibility for your actions and the implications for you and your dog.

Re the wire, it’s typically placed in rows that are not too far apart so the aim is to stop the dog from being able to chase more than it is to garrotte the do"


Not the same you and I know we going to get hurt and can reason when we see razor wire on a wall

Dog chasing is acting on instinct and wire strung may not be seen if at night and hare under a lamp .... again not dogs fault it's the the bugger running it ....

I still think bunch of wires strung up could do a lot of damage to the dog

Targeting the dog and not the f**ker that run it

Paul

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Didn’t realise that there was a race of pikeys?
Where do they hail from?
Alternatively I could use other terms like law breaking scum, if you prefer?

Its not racist but it is discriminatory. You always come across as somebody who champions progressive values so I'm a bit surprised and disappointed that you used that term. Given your stance on inclusivity and social justice, I would have thought you'd be more mindful of how discriminatory labels can reinforce harmful stereotypes, It's one of those words that carries a lot of weight and I'd imagine you'd be the first to call it out if it came from one of us.

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Ok, so how would you describe the broad group of people of no fixed abode who routinely smash, steal, destroy, poach and generally bugger the place up and don’t contribute to society in any way.
Give me a name for them and I will gladly use it.

Members of the travelling community, some of which are engaging in criminal activities. Correlation is not causation. Not all of them are criminals and its unfair to tar them all with the same stick

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

So my comment was wrong because i had no clue who i spoke of? Do you see the similarity?
Catch them in the act or prove it and hang them for all i care. Your inability to see that your language is loaded and could cause offence is amazing.
Do you know how many people that you tar might be reading this?
If i caused offence to any farmers i appolagise

I do find it amusing, there's been 2 maybe 3 threads shut down because of his virtue signaling hijacking the OPs post. Looks like the tables have turned

 

[Bo Diddley]

One of the things that some landowners do around here is to string wires up across the fields where the dog boys go - high enough to allow a hare to go under but low enough to catch a lurcher!
Can’t be easily seen with a torch either - seems to work ok.

Thing is, what these people are doing is not hare coursing, it’s hare or deer killing. Having been to a lot of legally run coursing meetings back before the ban, and having a friend who was a well regarded slipper, the aim of coursing wasn’t to kill the hare, more to use the hare to test the speed and agility of the two dogs against each other.
If the slipper did their job well then the dogs would get close to the hare and it would then turn them repeatedly until they tired and it ran off. Kills were only when not enough lead was given to the hare, it stumbled or it couldn’t escape - maybe 3-4 killed in a whole day of coursing.
These coursing clubs would also repatriate hares from areas where there were too many to areas where there weren’t enough, with huge teams of people involved in catch and release programmes - conservation was as much on the agenda as coursing was.

These guys aren’t about the ‘sport’ they just want to see their dogs kill and that is a totally different mentality.

The difference between the organised coursing events and what is happening now is that the organised events used to be judged on the "Run up" "Turns" etc by a mounted judge usually, the winner being the dog with the most points. Illegal match coursing is purely about who has the best dog on the day, and that is decided by running let's say a 5 out of 5 comp, lots of money gambled on the day, the dog that kills the most is the winner. Simple.
The coursing clubs of old used to look after the hares so that they had plenty to run all season, if they never had enough on the ground some would be bagged and shipped in. After the season was over most grounds had a couple of days hare shooting to cull them to discourage the illegal hare courses, many of whom would come to watch the organised coursing as well, that's certainly what happened in East Anglia.

 

[TringSaint]

Its not racist but it is discriminatory. You always come across as somebody who champions progressive values so I'm a bit surprised and disappointed that you used that term. Given your stance on inclusivity and social justice, I would have thought you'd be more mindful of how discriminatory labels can reinforce harmful stereotypes, It's one of those words that carries a lot of weight and I'd imagine you'd be the first to call it out if it came from one of us.

If I broke the law routinely then I guess I would have to accept what ever came my way, including what I am called.

I don’t care about your religion, skin colour, sexual preference or music taste - break the law and you should be treated as a criminal and if that means a collective term is used to describe you, then so be it.

After all, they have the power to decide what they do and it’s their choice to live a life of crime.

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

If I broke the law routinely then I guess I would have to accept what ever came my way, including what I am called.

I don’t care about your religion, skin colour, sexual preference or music taste - break the law and you should be treated as a criminal and if that means a collective term is used to describe you, then so be it.

After all, they have the power to decide what they do and it’s their choice to live a life of crime.

Ah but you do Tringsaint. Membership of the travelling community is protected under the the Equality act 2010. What you're saying sounds a bit racist-y

Equality Act 2010 Reference


I agree with some of your points on breaking the law and that you should be treated as a criminal. However, you're also saying breaking the law justifies using a derogatory slur? That logic doesn't really hold water. We don't apply derogatory labels to other ethnic groups with high crime rates, why is this the exception? From what I've seen you post on other threads, you advocate for fairness and treating people as individuals but this argument does the opposite. The issue is criminal behavior, so critique that - without resorting to language that reinforces prejudice against an entire community, including those who have done nothing wrong. (I'm sure you can draw parallels to other communities that you advocate for)

The fact your government has gone and arrested people for facebook posts, I'd be careful what you post on the internet going forward because you have revealed yourself as a racist now. Even after all of your other posts in various threads stating otherwise.

I'll provide a link to their hotline so you can report yourself now. Its the honest thing to do.

Report Racism and Discrimination - Friends, Families and Travellers

 

[David Barker]

Perhaps someone with more experience can tell me, just how do you train a dog to select which deer is in season at any given time, and also to identify the best animal for culling?
Any useful tips will be passed on to the gentlemen that I occasionally encounter, as their dogs don’t seem to have mastered it yet.

This was in scotland i believe so because of that the dog does not need to be selective it can take anything as all deer at the moment are in season. I know3 its illegal but just being selective for the question. Lurchers if worked properly ill deal w3ith the smaller deer quickly and w3ill normally kill quicker than BP require. I remember and did patriciate when it w3as legal and had many a good outing. But remember this we are being watched and worked on so support what you can because the ones amongst you. Those That cant remember the legislation changes w3ill not know3 how3 they can effect us until its to late.