jthyttin
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One pic in the OP link shows rail. It's even worse than the other options.
Mauser M25
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Same 'mistake' as the BRX1...
Same length of pull on the straight pull mechanism regardless of caliber.
Could be a problem for some...
Didn't like the 'tracks' in the stock for the straight pull mechanism.
Good vertical grip.
Very nice and smooth straight pull mechanism.
But my M03 will not leave me for this model...
Same length of pull on the straight pull mechanism regardless of caliber.
Could be a problem for some...
Didn't like the 'tracks' in the stock for the straight pull mechanism.
Good vertical grip.
Very nice and smooth straight pull mechanism.
But my M03 will not leave me for this model...
hedge hunter
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Shame it's not a switch barrel as well
RF76
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MSRP is reportedly £1800, and it'll go for less. The offering from Braces seemed well priced for a full package at £2500.
Agreed, it is a shame that it's not a switch barrel. But, it's better than having one that is, with limited calibre offerings such as the BRX and no further offerings in sight.
Everything is always a compromise.
hedge hunter
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It's that bolt for me.rest of the rifle is nice but the bolt just spoils it a bit.not that it will make a difference to the deer
samh6
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I'm a huge Blaser/Mauser/Sauer fan with a fair few of each in possession and was was super keen to see this new Straight pull at the BSS and honestly.... disappointing. the ergos are Ok but the bolt comes back quite a bit to the point it's only just clearing the face. second was the bolt material, its a plastic housing covering the internals which granted plastics on firearms in the modern day make sense but on bits like bolts just feels ultra cheap.
Lastly the safety, its at the rear behind the bolt...... it looks like Mauser forgot to get the design engineering team to finish it. anyone who has a blaser, aesthetically it's like that bit under the bolt where trigger linkage goes but has a safety tang, it just looks weird/odd.
Overall I don't doubt it'll shoot based of the brands reputation however I cant help feel it's a little rushed in the design department to get something out to compete with the BRX.
Lastly the safety, its at the rear behind the bolt...... it looks like Mauser forgot to get the design engineering team to finish it. anyone who has a blaser, aesthetically it's like that bit under the bolt where trigger linkage goes but has a safety tang, it just looks weird/odd.
Overall I don't doubt it'll shoot based of the brands reputation however I cant help feel it's a little rushed in the design department to get something out to compete with the BRX.
HonestJohn
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Buy a steel action from Alistair Harkness - absolutely things of beauty and accuracy is phenomenally good
Basic model is around £2.5k
Ten times the rifle of the M25 and BRX1
Basic model is around £2.5k
Ten times the rifle of the M25 and BRX1
Re. Steel Action, they are certainly very attractive rifles, but the bolt throw is longer than the M25's and the price is considerably higher, so it's not a case of "apples-to-apples".
As a Heym SR30 shooter (.308), I appreciate the faster, shorter bolt movement of the M25 vs. the SR30, but not the M25's higher sight-line (though the M25 Max's adjustable comb does address this). I would also be loath to do without the SR30's cocker-decocker function.
Decades on, Blaser's R93 and R8 remain the benchmarks for straight-pull hunting rifles. Blaser's absurd pricing suggests they are well aware of this... and encourages other manufacturers to throw their hats into the ring.
The result has been a string of interesting rifles, most of which tick fewer boxes than a Blaser and thus, no surprise, appeal primarily on price.
IMO a tidy S/H R93 is therefore the place to start if you fancy a straight -pull... or it would be, if you wanted it for the only purpose in which a fast-cycling and pointable carbine has any real edge: driven hunting.
For everything else, any other kind of action will do at least as well.
I bought my Heym because I liked its combination of an elegantly-simple mechanism (including a cocker/decocker), old-school build quality, and "don't see one of these everyday"-ness.
Because I think that last factor is far from being the least important, I'm glad to see the M25 and the Steel Action, and the others, giving us something to get interested about.
As a Heym SR30 shooter (.308), I appreciate the faster, shorter bolt movement of the M25 vs. the SR30, but not the M25's higher sight-line (though the M25 Max's adjustable comb does address this). I would also be loath to do without the SR30's cocker-decocker function.
Decades on, Blaser's R93 and R8 remain the benchmarks for straight-pull hunting rifles. Blaser's absurd pricing suggests they are well aware of this... and encourages other manufacturers to throw their hats into the ring.
The result has been a string of interesting rifles, most of which tick fewer boxes than a Blaser and thus, no surprise, appeal primarily on price.
IMO a tidy S/H R93 is therefore the place to start if you fancy a straight -pull... or it would be, if you wanted it for the only purpose in which a fast-cycling and pointable carbine has any real edge: driven hunting.
For everything else, any other kind of action will do at least as well.
I bought my Heym because I liked its combination of an elegantly-simple mechanism (including a cocker/decocker), old-school build quality, and "don't see one of these everyday"-ness.
Because I think that last factor is far from being the least important, I'm glad to see the M25 and the Steel Action, and the others, giving us something to get interested about.
Foxyboy43
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Hmmmm…. (Or is it Heym?).
By sheer happenstance I watched a favourable review of the M25 this very morn and it set me thinking….
Now I kinda get the straight-pull thing when it comes to driven game where several beasts may come together or in close proximity but I do wonder just how many straight-pull owners have ever been on such a necessarily expensive hunt where this may actually be an advantage?
Of those presumably majority of owners who have not done the driven thing what do they perceive as the advantage of a straight-pull? Sure a quick follow-up shot is useful on those hopefully very rare occasions where one is needed but then again has anyone ever timed a straight-pull and a conventional bolt action rifle in such circumstances and is the follow-up success rate really any different?
Now call me old-fashioned but I suspect the difference lies somewhere between milli-seconds and only a second or two so would the time advantage have really made a discernible difference - to the extent that a wounded or dare I say it, missed beast may be gathered rather than lost? Personally I believe that a rushed second shot is less likely to deliver the required outcome - if so then what price the increased bad shot rate?
I am old enough to remember that (driven aside) much was once said about the advantages of not having to take your straight-pull rifle off your shoulder for the next shot but in these days of four or even five-legged sticks in common usage who would now remove the rifle from their shoulder for the follow-up shot?
Sooooooo - iif the timing difference is minimal and rifle support has changed so much my question is - are there really any tangible benefits in having a straight-pull?
Or am I…. err….missing something?
By sheer happenstance I watched a favourable review of the M25 this very morn and it set me thinking….
Now I kinda get the straight-pull thing when it comes to driven game where several beasts may come together or in close proximity but I do wonder just how many straight-pull owners have ever been on such a necessarily expensive hunt where this may actually be an advantage?
Of those presumably majority of owners who have not done the driven thing what do they perceive as the advantage of a straight-pull? Sure a quick follow-up shot is useful on those hopefully very rare occasions where one is needed but then again has anyone ever timed a straight-pull and a conventional bolt action rifle in such circumstances and is the follow-up success rate really any different?
Now call me old-fashioned but I suspect the difference lies somewhere between milli-seconds and only a second or two so would the time advantage have really made a discernible difference - to the extent that a wounded or dare I say it, missed beast may be gathered rather than lost? Personally I believe that a rushed second shot is less likely to deliver the required outcome - if so then what price the increased bad shot rate?
I am old enough to remember that (driven aside) much was once said about the advantages of not having to take your straight-pull rifle off your shoulder for the next shot but in these days of four or even five-legged sticks in common usage who would now remove the rifle from their shoulder for the follow-up shot?
Sooooooo - iif the timing difference is minimal and rifle support has changed so much my question is - are there really any tangible benefits in having a straight-pull?
Or am I…. err….missing something?
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WildBoarHunter
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I have a Blaser R8 also a bunch of classic bolt actions and do quite a lot of driven hunting. The difference is negligible in my opinion. Precise shot is what it counts. If you like straight pull buy it. Otherwise you'll do just fine with a turn bolt. What I really do like about Blaser is they are shorter than conventional turn bolts. Which is great for using a mod. They are also very easy to dissasemble, clean and maintain.
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RF76
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Steel Action - Based on the Bolt features and pricing, not something I would look any further at given some of the other alternatives available (Sako 90, Sauer 505 and of course the Blaser R8).
I've never really considered a Straight Pull, but with Mauser bringing out the M25 it did make me look more closely at some of the the offerings (BRX, R8 and M25). The difference in speed of cycling is negligible between a turn bolt and straight pull really, it's just down to how much time you have on the rifle and really what you prefer and feel most comfortable with, Franz Abrecht from the Wild Boar Fever series being a great example.
I can see the attraction from a modular and technical point with the R8, but something always draws me back to the Sauer 505.
I've never really considered a Straight Pull, but with Mauser bringing out the M25 it did make me look more closely at some of the the offerings (BRX, R8 and M25). The difference in speed of cycling is negligible between a turn bolt and straight pull really, it's just down to how much time you have on the rifle and really what you prefer and feel most comfortable with, Franz Abrecht from the Wild Boar Fever series being a great example.
I can see the attraction from a modular and technical point with the R8, but something always draws me back to the Sauer 505.
HonestJohn
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I think you must have had a bad nights sleep if you would even consider the sauer 505 or s90 over the steel. Machining and build, it’s like a Maserati vs a WV.
What bolts features did you not like? Have you tried the trigger on the 505 and how dead it is? And the stock forend that’s as soft and bendy as chewing gum.
S90 isn’t ‘bad’, but I’d buy pretty much any Sako above that personaliy
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