samh6
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Soooooo how come the postponement? smells funny
National wild venison standard
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devon deer stalker
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It's all gone very quiet on this subject hasn't it? Or or they beavering away being closed doors?
Or perhaps they realised this is an ill thought out scheme by people trying to justify their jobs?
Or the comments raised on here have been fed back through and it's been axed? (unlikely)
I appreciate the species we cull on a personal level decide whether we sell to the game dealer or not, but when people like Paul Childerley state on the field sports channel he isn't going to be part of it then perhaps they should listen to us?
It starts at 49:34 just a pity it wasn't discussed in more detail
Or perhaps they realised this is an ill thought out scheme by people trying to justify their jobs?
Or the comments raised on here have been fed back through and it's been axed? (unlikely)
I appreciate the species we cull on a personal level decide whether we sell to the game dealer or not, but when people like Paul Childerley state on the field sports channel he isn't going to be part of it then perhaps they should listen to us?
It starts at 49:34 just a pity it wasn't discussed in more detail
StephenToast
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As has the Defra consultation om the deer act.
Who is Paul Childerley and why should I listen to him?
He said he sells all his carcasses directly, not through the game dealer, and so the BQWV standard is not relevant to him. (He didn't comment either way on the standard itself.)
devon deer stalker
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The consultation has only just finished, give them another 5 years to make a decision!
I'm not sure if you are being facetious about him, but he is often on the channel, although I do find him a bit marmite.
devon deer stalker
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For some reason he gave a guarded response, but bigger picture, for those that do sell via a game dealer, whether that's small or large deer I wonder how many have decided to ignore this BQWV, in fact I wonder how many have actually signed up?
Yes, I think we're definitely due an update.
StephenToast
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Haha. I am not known for my patience.
I haven't ever watched that programme and I am only half way through the one you posted so I was probably a bit premature with that post but I've never heard of him. I wondered who he is and if he has special knowledge of the venison industry l.
StephenToast
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@Alastair Boston
Hi. You responded earlier in the year about the New venison standard, and the defra consultation... What's going on with that stuff?
Hi. You responded earlier in the year about the New venison standard, and the defra consultation... What's going on with that stuff?
Alastair Boston
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Hello Stephen David Hooton is leading on this for the FC and like the rest of the Deer Officers here at FC we are all busy working on the WS1 & WS3 applications currently.Once all that work has been completed ,I would of thought David will have the time to focus on the venison standard again.
StephenToast
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Thanks for the reply. I have met David a couple of times.
What about the Defra consultation?
Doesn’t need new standards. Just requires the majority of stalkers to up their game and better their standards
Dunwaters
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Have a look at that sentence again and see if you can spot the paradox.
devon deer stalker
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Thread resurrection but did anything ever happen with the British Quality Wild Venison Standard or did it die the withering death it deserved (spoken from a small producer's perspective who turns out very high quality product but would have been excluded from this scheme!)?
Woodenbeam
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Well it’s still out there but if it was rewarded by success it’d be as successful as Thames Water……
britishqualitywildvenison.co.uk
‘The working group was set up in May 2020 with the aim of improving customer confidence and market demand, for the benefit of the environment, land managers and producers.‘
Same as most things in life……..those that can, do. Those that can’t either teach or preach.
I feel confident that anyone with the ability to build a business through venison could if they wanted to but how profitable it’d be is questionable. Local sales to the local marketplace isn’t gonna pay the leccy bill let alone the water rates & mortgage. Provide another income stream, profit from a pastime, yes but requires considerable investment with a longer term payback period.
British Quality Wild Venison - Quality assurance for British Wild Venison
The British Quality Wild Venison standard aims to increase traceability of British Wild Venison and ensuring standards are met throughout the supply chain.
britishqualitywildvenison.co.uk
‘The working group was set up in May 2020 with the aim of improving customer confidence and market demand, for the benefit of the environment, land managers and producers.‘
Same as most things in life……..those that can, do. Those that can’t either teach or preach.
I feel confident that anyone with the ability to build a business through venison could if they wanted to but how profitable it’d be is questionable. Local sales to the local marketplace isn’t gonna pay the leccy bill let alone the water rates & mortgage. Provide another income stream, profit from a pastime, yes but requires considerable investment with a longer term payback period.
The QA organisation never got back to me despite several hasteners and as you say, all appears VERY quiet. I do note that at the Stalking show, David Hooton is on the panel discussion representing BQWV…….
SUNDAY 13TH APRIL, 13:00–14:00
THE BIG VENISON DELUSION – COULD VENISON EVER GO MAINSTREAM?
Despite its ethical and sustainable credentials, venison remains a niche product. Can it ever break into the mass market? Our expert panel will weigh in on the opportunities and barriers.Panellists:
- Jose Luis Souto – Professional Stalker, Chef, Author & Lecturer
- Tristan Kirk – Director, Lincolnshire Game
- Sarah Gulak – Wild Meat Educator, Eat Wild
- Nick Weir – Community Facilitator, The Open Food Network
- David Hooton – Representing British Quality Wild Venison
- Nick Rout – The British Deer Society (and independent registered food business representative)
I like you would be excluded too from the scheme if I interpret the rules correctly and I’m not going to “grow” my business nor invest to the extent that registration requires - the economics simply don’t add up. Whilst I do recollect a couple of the big producers being accredited what are “they” going to do to help the smaller producers to grow the venison market outside of AGHE supply? I read somewhere earlier this week (cannot remember where
) a sound piece arguing that to grow the venison market it needs the full participation of the lower scale producers like myself who are doing market stalls and farm shop sales, etc, if they are going to achieve the aim of culling more deer and putting it to good use. However, without a joined up approach across DEFRA, FE, DI, BASC, NGO, BDS, etc, we are simply not going to get there!So you pay to join the scheme
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Naaaa..I'm haply enough to stay excluded !
I can advertise the provenance of product myself without a stamp
I have enough interest and sales to not want to pay someone else for a "bit of paper"
My problem is not enough ground / permission to fully supply my own needs
( 2x teenage dustbins).
And supply folk who ask for product!!!!
Paul
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Naaaa..I'm haply enough to stay excluded !
I can advertise the provenance of product myself without a stamp
I have enough interest and sales to not want to pay someone else for a "bit of paper"
My problem is not enough ground / permission to fully supply my own needs
( 2x teenage dustbins).
And supply folk who ask for product!!!!
Paul
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