foxdropper
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In that case better off using remaining lead ammo on cats ,just a thought .
EU ban on lead ammunition for airguns, shotguns and rifles
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Just ignore what they say, and the dusty old codgers at BASC for that matter. Stock up and crack on.
levigsp
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So, I see no mention of this anywhere so I thought I would post. Meeting held monday 26th.
The ministers criticized the idea, pointing out that such a regulation would threaten food security and even the defence readiness of the European Union. European Commissioner for the Environment Jessika Roswall defended the proposal developed by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) – stressing that it is based on a scientific risk assessment...
Three months ago, the European Commission presented a draft of a total ban on the use of lead in hunting and angling. Now individual ministers have expressed their reservations, pointing to the huge economic costs that will burden the ammunition manufacturing sector. In their opinion, the possible closure of companies and the reduction of production will have a negative impact on European defence, recreational fishing and the management of game species such as wild boar...
Among others, the Minister of Agriculture of Spain emphasized that in the current situation, the ban will prevent the reduction of wild boars in his country, and the increasing number of this species is a real risk for agriculture. Greece, Portugal, Italy, Austria and Latvia have all expressed concern about the lack of alternatives to lead. Sweden, on the other hand, questioned the reliability of the scientific data used to justify this decision.
All in all, after listening to all the arguments, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Latvia, Italy, Sweden, Hungary, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania and Finland expressed their opposition to this proposal. All in all, the European Commission was left alone with the project, which is supported by anti-hunting organizations.
Most European Union countries reject the ban on the use of lead in hunting and angling proposed by Brussels.
During Monday's meeting of agriculture ministers in Brussels, the draft of the new regulation was discussed. At the request of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the vast majority of countries rejected the European Commission's proposal to ban the use of lead in hunting ammunition and fishing gear.The ministers criticized the idea, pointing out that such a regulation would threaten food security and even the defence readiness of the European Union. European Commissioner for the Environment Jessika Roswall defended the proposal developed by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) – stressing that it is based on a scientific risk assessment...
Three months ago, the European Commission presented a draft of a total ban on the use of lead in hunting and angling. Now individual ministers have expressed their reservations, pointing to the huge economic costs that will burden the ammunition manufacturing sector. In their opinion, the possible closure of companies and the reduction of production will have a negative impact on European defence, recreational fishing and the management of game species such as wild boar...
Among others, the Minister of Agriculture of Spain emphasized that in the current situation, the ban will prevent the reduction of wild boars in his country, and the increasing number of this species is a real risk for agriculture. Greece, Portugal, Italy, Austria and Latvia have all expressed concern about the lack of alternatives to lead. Sweden, on the other hand, questioned the reliability of the scientific data used to justify this decision.
All in all, after listening to all the arguments, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Latvia, Italy, Sweden, Hungary, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania and Finland expressed their opposition to this proposal. All in all, the European Commission was left alone with the project, which is supported by anti-hunting organizations.
Dunwaters
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Oh yes it will!it won’t effect the uk as we’re not in the EU anymore
Hooray!
Dunwaters
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Have you a source for this?
Haven’t heard a word from our reps.
Unfortunately the fool we have leading our nation as pretty much signed up to everything the UK people did not want by a referendum and he actually never was legally bound to listen to us .
Never trust anyone in politics to keep their promises
Stevie/P
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Oh no it won’t
Farm ministers blast EU plan to ban toxic lead bullets - Euractiv
EU agriculture ministers are challenging a lead ban proposal, injecting defence rhetoric into a debate over hunting and fishing gear.
www.euractiv.com
Brevity is irrelevant, our Parliament is likely to follow the herd.
Dunwaters
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Look behind you!Oh no it won’t
If the ban goes away in the EU, UK REACH’s rationale for the UK ban vanishes too.
I’ll be sitting here with crossed fingers, unfortunately our bunch have already accepted the wetlands definition and banned leadshot use over it.
The “Greens” are a pestilence and a plague we can do without.
I’m in favour of banning lead where it causes harm, I’m just not convinced that its causing harm everywhere its use is being banned.
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks, a video of the discussion is here:
It was under the last AOB item from 13:39 onwards.
The objections and recommendations by some countries were noted in this AOB of the agriculture/fisheries committee and scrutiny will continue under the EU REACH committee.
Woodenbeam
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Well well well……..some good outta the EU after all
Best we don’t give up hope after all. If ‘lead free’ drives the supply of game into market place or hunters preference then so be it but to have choice removed by bureaucrats in white towers no no no.
Best we don’t give up hope after all. If ‘lead free’ drives the supply of game into market place or hunters preference then so be it but to have choice removed by bureaucrats in white towers no no no.
enfieldspares
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And BASC with its own volte face and proposed support of a ban on lead shot. But chooses to call it a "voluntary ban". But it's still nevertheless advancing a proposal to ban on lead shot. No matter how much they choose to try to back pedal from their February 2020 "declaration".
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timbrayford
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One thing that appears to have fallen by the wayside is phasing out plastic wads, I don't recall that the HSE thought that one through? Ironically everywhere that I use a shotgun, both clay and live quarry shooting there are no issues about using lead shot but plastic wads are strictly forbidden!
the use or not of plastic wads was not part of the scope of the HSE proposal to ban lead in ammunition.
It was however part of the voluntary transition as clearly a transition from lead shot to steel shot is untenable if the consequence is to litter the environment with non biodegradable plastic which will be in the environment for what a thousand years.
It was however part of the voluntary transition as clearly a transition from lead shot to steel shot is untenable if the consequence is to litter the environment with non biodegradable plastic which will be in the environment for what a thousand years.
timbrayford
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Micro plastic pollution and lead shot restrictions can't be looked at in isolation from each other, whats the latest from the cartridge manufacturers? Non lead, non plastic wad cartridges appear to be a very small segment of the market eg just cartridges etc
And when will it be removed
And when will it be removed from all the other food/drink we eat?
No time soon. It is still being specified as mandatory to use lead roofing in many cases.
That is for the very good reason that there's no particular problem with the toxicity of lead anywhere except when it is used as ammunition, at which point it takes on magical properties which make it very hazardous to any organism which is NOT particularly exposed to it.
kenbro
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I heard a rumour that in a far away land called Cretina someone has started manufacturing super accurate and ballistically superior lead free bullets made from Unobtainable Chinesium and they’re coming to a shop near you.
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