Which calibre lever action?

[Smellydog]

i quoted the only part i wanted to bring to your attention , sigh

you stated you did not understand the fascination with pointy bullets , i am trying without success it would seem to explain something you don't understand

and if you have the understanding of BC that you claim to after 40 plus years of shooting then i am at a loss to understand how you don't understand the fascination with pointy bullets since with your vast knowledge of BC you'll already know that pointy bullets have a better BC than blunt bullets , so you are either arguing for arguments sake or being deliberately obtuse or you don't know anything about BC ? personally i think you do know about BC etc having read a few of your posts which leaves the other two options ?

I think you will find if you re-read my original post that you have chosen to pick up on you will read how one has to still add hold over at range be it with a high BC bullet or a lower BC bullet.

No amount of high BC will overcome the constant of gravity.

Therefore many have, as this thread is about lever actions, missed out by sticking to the mantra that only high BC bullets count. They don't! Low BC non pointy bullets are still capable in the non long range shooting of game and targets.

I've also pointed out that most deer are shot at distances that a high BC bullet is rendered useless.

Personally I just think you misread my post and don't want to admit it but that's ok.


Sigh...

 

[Smellydog]

Another anomaly I misunderstand is people's dislike of the Winchester 94 be it AE or pre AE.
It's my favourite action.
Simple to service, strong and a Browning design.
The triggers are easy to improve just like a Marlin.
They carry in the hand better than a Marlin too. I think they are a shade lighter in weight also.

 

[tackb]

I've never understood the fascination with pointy bullets.
You've still got to give elevation to shoot at long range.
It doesn't matter if it's 8" or 16", you've still got to call it.
I've plinked at 600yds with my 357.

if you re-read what you've said (note the full stop at the end of the first sentence) you'll see the statement i was responding to , it's why i highlighted that part.

you made four statements only one of which said you didn't understand , the first one , that is the one i attempted to help you with

do you understand peoples fascination with pointy bullets or not?

i think i have read it ok and enough times now to realise that the issue is yours.

i apologise for trying to help you and hope we can stick to the point i addressed rather than get all politician about it and start throwing all sorts of other stuff in rather than dealing with the point we started about.

i understand some people have difficulty admitting a mistake but i think no less of you for it , you are knowledgeable about many things on here and i enjoy reading your posts

again i apologise for trying to help you understand something.

 

[SimpleSimon]

if you re-read what you've said (note the full stop at the end of the first sentence) you'll see the statement i was responding to , it's why i highlighted that part.

you made four statements only one of which said you didn't understand , the first one , that is the one i attempted to help you with

do you understand peoples fascination with pointy bullets or not?

i think i have read it ok and enough times now to realise that the issue is yours.

i apologise for trying to help you and hope we can stick to the point i addressed rather than get all politician about it and start throwing all sorts of other stuff in rather than dealing with the point we started about.

i understand some people have difficulty admitting a mistake but i think no less of you for it , you are knowledgeable about many things on here and i enjoy reading your posts

again i apologise for trying to help you understand something.

Will you two get a room?

 

[Smellydog]

if you are still struggling with the concept for a practical demonstration try throwing a shuttle cock feathers first and see how you get on ?

Is that a question or just pure sarcasm?

if you re-read what you've said (note the full stop at the end of the first sentence) you'll see the statement i was responding to , it's why i highlighted that part.

Nope, don't see it. It's a full stop yes but not a question mark. I wasn't asking a question.
I was making a statement, a comment. I was not asking for a explanation.
You presumed.

 

[tackb]

Is that a question or just pure sarcasm?

Nope, don't see it. It's a full stop yes but not a question mark. I wasn't asking a question.
I was making a statement, a comment. I was not asking for a explanation.
You presumed.

ok

 

[moeggesit]

Another anomaly I misunderstand is people's dislike of the Winchester 94 be it AE or pre AE.
It's my favourite action.
Simple to service, strong and a Browning design.
The triggers are easy to improve just like a Marlin.
They carry in the hand better than a Marlin too. I think they are a shade lighter in weight also.

We all have preferences, in case you are referring to my post. I have a number of Winchesters and Winchester replicas, I’m not opposed to them. They have the same general issues and usually very sensitive to cartridge OAL, 94 less so. Perfectly serviceable as stated.

Marlin feed is better but have their own issues, they tend to fall apart if you don’t tighten screws regularly. You can also mount a scope without modification, if you want to use a scope for stalking.

Henry is an absolutely lovely action.

 

[Steven mclean]

45-70 gets my vote just for sheer fun ...
Never took it hunting so can't comment on that but for targets it's great fun and easy to reload for

 

[Biathlonjimmy]

I'm about to put my Browning BLR Lightweight Tracker laminate chambered in 308win. Will come with 2x 4round mags and one lucky 13 10 round mag.

In case in floats anyone's boat. Lots of fun but I'm now cutting my numbers down to single figures.

 

[alberta boy]

I'm about to put my Browning BLR Lightweight Tracker laminate chambered in 308win. Will come with 2x 4round mags and one lucky 13 10 round mag.

In case in floats anyone's boat. Lots of fun but I'm now cutting my numbers down to single figures.

A very handy , and capable , little unit . They're very popular out here for a good reason . They can be fiddly to work on , but that being said , they don't have many issues . I could take care of most things out here with one .

AB

 

[6.5creed]

45-70 surely?

Flies like a rainbow...

 

[6.5creed]

94 winchester chambered in 30-30.

I can consistently hit a 6inch gong at 300 yards (iron sights)

Perfect for woodland/ clearfell stalking.

 

[6pt-sika]

In my miss spent life I’ve tried just about everything Marlin chambered a leveraction in . In the old square bolt original 1895’s I liked the 33 WIN , 38-56 and 40-65 , had a 40-82 as well that one just never grew on me and I wish I’d gotten one in 45-90 as I’ve not messed with that cartridge . In the original 1894’s I liked the 25-20 , 32-20 and 38-40 sad to say I never acquired an original in 44-40 . In the 1893 I tried all five cartridges , I’ve always had an affection for the 32-40 followed by the 32 Special . Also liked the 25-36 quite a bit as well as the 38-55 and 30-30 . When you get into the 336 action and its derivatives they were all okay used the 356 WIN some , 308 Express , 338 Express and 219 Zipper . And of course the 30-30 , 32 Special and 35 REM and again the 32 Special would be my pick of what they chambered . In the 1972 version of the 1894 I tried everything they chambered it for 22 MAG up to the 44 MAG , liked the 25-20 , 32-20 , 44-40 but the 44 MAG was my preferred . The three bigger derivatives on the 336 action the 444 , 450 and 45-70 I suppose I had more intrest in the 444 although I liked all three . When I started with levers I usually had two of each one for jacketed and another for home cast bullets . I killed an actual very large pile of deer with cast bullets in various cartridges 30-30 to the 45-70 never used cast in the 450 308 or 338 however . Anyway my favorite of them all had to be a herd of 444’s I had all made between 1964 and 1975 with the exception of one from 2001 (Ballard rifled for 380 grain bullets and above) . FWIW the % of DRT deer I shot with the 444 and 45-70 was greatest when using cast bullets .

 

[375win]

Not looked through every reply, but 348 Winchester, .405 or .50 Alaskan. I would go for a Mod71 in .348, best lever action ever made. Alternatively, the Model 99 from Savage in .22 HP would be a jolly little rifle for muntjac.

 

[A Guy Out West]

.35 Rem or .32 Win Special. Why? Nostalgia sake.

 

[jthyttin]

I can consistently hit a 6inch gong at 300 yards (iron sights)

I couldn't see 6" target at 300y with iron sights (open sights type with rear notch and front post). Maybe, just maybe, with peep sight and suitable narrow post (I'd have to focus on target). Haven't really used full diopter style sights to any extent, but they might help if chosen properly.

Limit on human sight (average healthy youngish eyes) is about one MOA i.e. about 3" at 300y. I can do that, maybe bit better, w/o any interference from sights and of course good lighting and decent contrast to backstop. And even if you can see it (through sights), hitting is another thing and consistently hitting is still another. I'd say impossible, using contemporary levergun sights, over decent selection of conditions.

 

[Smellydog]

I couldn't see 6" target at 300y with iron sights (open sights type with rear notch and front post). Maybe, just maybe, with peep sight and suitable narrow post (I'd have to focus on target). Haven't really used full diopter style sights to any extent, but they might help if chosen properly.

Limit on human sight (average healthy youngish eyes) is about one MOA i.e. about 3" at 300y. I can do that, maybe bit better, w/o any interference from sights and of course good lighting and decent contrast to backstop. And even if you can see it (through sights), hitting is another thing and consistently hitting is still another. I'd say impossible, using contemporary levergun sights, over decent selection of conditions.

Here is a friend shooting a rifle I had in 3030. The loading was only like half power loads on a2400, probably 16gn.
We were shooting at rocks to 400yds.
We were having fun but if we couldn't see and get very close to the target there would be no point even trying but we did see the targets and we did even hit a few.

In fact it was a first time my friend ever shot an open sighted lever action and he was quite frankly amazed!

 

[jthyttin]

Didn't know that rocks on a flat field qualify as backstop. Every day a school day.

And this was relevant to limits of human vision by how?

 

[Smellydog]

Didn't know that rocks on a flat field qualify as backstop. Every day a school day.

And this was relevant to limits of human vision by how?

Don't you worry about the back stop now. I've got it covered.

You did say " impossible" yes?

 

[Smellydog]

Don't worry about their back stop either