Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement

[Smellydog]

Stuff it. Let's just go snaring in the middle of the night or dragging carcasses off the central reservation of East Anglia's motorways. They'll probably ban that because of the potential for contamination by rubber particulates.

Still can buy or make a bow.

 

[Smellydog]

So what is going to be worthless?

#1 Small shotguns including 410?

#2 Old shotguns with any degree of choke above 1/2?

#3 rimfires and which ones out of the three common ones ?

#4 .239" rifles, commonly known as 243 or 6mm?

#5 muzzleloaders?

 

[Smellydog]

Now is a good time to buy a 45/70.
Use the right lube and they will shoot soft lead.

 

[purdeydog]

Do we knew specifically which calibres or calibre and under will be exempt.

 

[Apthorpe]

So what is going to be worthless?

#1 Small shotguns including 410?

#2 Old shotguns with any degree of choke above 1/2?

#3 rimfires and which ones out of the three common ones ?

#4 .239" rifles, commonly known as 243 or 6mm?

#5 muzzleloaders?

6. Rifles in any of numerous calibres for which lead-free ammunition is unavailable or unsuitable. E.g. the various Mannlicher-Schoenauers

7. Shares in the domestic British gunmaking and cartridge industry.

 

[Smellydog]

6. Rifles in any of numerous calibres for which lead-free ammunition is unavailable or unsuitable. E.g. the various Mannlicher-Schoenauers

I'm not aware of a factory loaded ammunition for 3030 but getting a non lead bullet is an option.
Does that mean my 3030 is not dead?

 

[Apthorpe]

I'm not aware of a factory loaded ammunition for 3030 but getting a non lead bullet is an option.
Does that mean my 3030 is not dead?

Perhaps not. I suppose it depends whether the non-lead bullet works.

Other rifles are more specific in terms of required bullet dimensions and don’t work with non-lead bullets (thus far). BASC appears to have no interest whatsoever in representing the interests of those of its members for whom non-lead ammunition is not a viable option, and has not claimed to have lifted a finger to argue for either exemptions or compensation for them.

 

[jall55]

So what is going to be worthless?

#1 Small shotguns including 410?

#2 Old shotguns with any degree of choke above 1/2?

#3 rimfires and which ones out of the three common ones ?

#4 .239" rifles, commonly known as 243 or 6mm?

#5 muzzleloaders?

I thought rimfires are OK ?

My shotgun iS 3/4 choke and has shot steel well for close to 2 years - and its 40 years old

Plenty of non lead ammo for .243 isnt there ?

 

[Brad93]

Watch BASC membership plummet

 

[Pedro]

And that is the crux of the issue. If there was an effective alternative - and priced at the same level as the current lead content bullets, I think this would be a non issue.
It will, of course, be interesting to see if the various armed forces move away from lead......maybe try DU....that's a nice safe alternative....or not!

Armed forces and the police are amongst the exemptions. So I doubt it.

 

[Basil H]

Spear Chucker, we in East Anglia are not yet blessed with motorways.

 

[Smellydog]

Still there after months.
What an own goal

 

[Smellydog]

Perhaps not. I suppose it depends whether the non-lead bullet works.

Could care less about that as long as I can poke a hole in the boiler room it'll go down.

I'll just have to watch I don't get old rounds mixed up with the new.

 

[Sinistral]

but does not section 35 say that small calibre <6.17mm are not included in the restriction.

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I can't read your attachment, but understand your point.
We're quoting separate parts of a ministerial statement which needs to be read as a whole, e.g. Section 30 defines .22rf (but not .22CF) as 'small calibre'.
The problem is that excluding .22 Centrefires goes against the spirit of the legislation, which is all 'lead shot and lead bullets' in Section 45.
Until the draft amendment is laid no-one knows exactly what's planned. Let's leave it until then, as I'm not interested in who's right or wrong . . just the facts.

29. The most effective risk management option is a prohibition on the placing on the market and use of lead bullets for live quarry shooting.

30. Bullets are generally either centrefire or rimfire. Rimfire are used at the smaller calibres.

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45. Taking into account the Restriction Dossier, the Final Opinion, the socio-economic impact and the availability of alternatives to lead ammunition, I consider that there is an unacceptable risk to the environment and human health resulting from the use of lead shot and lead bullets, and that the risk needs to be addressed by a restriction. It is therefore appropriate to introduce a restriction on lead shot and bullets and, as a result, I am proposing a draft amendment to Annex 17.

 

[Dunwaters]

Yawn...most of these studies completely ignore the presence of high concentrations of naturally occurring lead of far more toxic nature. Are you sure we need to do this again, or are you just going to do the loop one more time in the hope that we just give up and suck up the party line?

My strong recommendation would be to suck it up.
They’re serious this time.

 

[jb1]

Watch BASC membership plummet

Its difficult to tell what the membership number is from available sources due to the possibility that the figure may include members not renewing or moving elsewhere, i would have thought that the audit would purged the system and removed none members. But the figure is in the region of 146282 showing on the AR30 form.

 

[Liveonce]

Airgun pellets are exempt. Excellent.
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air gun ammo is available in bb size round balls for some pistols

 

[TURNBOLT]

My strong recommendation would be to suck it up.
They’re serious this time.

The government and the tories have been serious all along. l was told by a Lord who works in Westminster 4 years ago that unless non toxic was accepted shooting as we know it would finish.

 

[Liveonce]

30. Bullets are generally either centrefire or rimfire. Rimfire are used at the smaller calibres.

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Was not looking to disagree but understand the scope of the impact of the proposal.

Clearly they have never heard of .17 or .204 centrefire calibre. The GTA say .22lr only.

I do not read it that 30 trumps 35.

As you say time will tell.

 

[enfieldspares]

BASC appears to have no interest whatsoever in representing the interests of those of its members for whom non-lead ammunition is not a viable option, and has not claimed to have lifted a finger to argue for either exemptions or compensation for them.

Yes. To which the reply I received from Conor O'Gorman

What of .22 Rimfire and 9mm Rimfire shotguns? I shot a rat in my garden two months back with my 9mm Rimfire Webley bolt action. These can't be reloaded and there are NO non-lead options? The number is so few that there should at the very least be a push for these to be exempted.

That rat you shot with lead shot came at the expense of how many birds that subsequently ate the lead shot you fired in your garden? Maybe none, maybe some. That is perhaps the bigger picture to bear in mind as regards live quarry shooting where the risks of lead shot dissemination cannot be contained - the approach of HSE has been zero risk in this respect - so if there are to be exemptions, what should be the cut off point be as regards the continuation of lead shot for live quarry shooting - and is it politically tenable to argue to continue to poison birds using some types of cartridges 'just because'?