Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement

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Starting the countdown to the antis’ next “revelation”: that copper is - hold onto your hats - even worse for the environment than lead was, and has to be banned in its turn.

Starting a second countdown: to hearing from all the smug bismuth users telling the few copper stalkers who remain how “they’ve been using bismuth for years and it’s just as good…”

It’s just another click of the ratchet towards the politicians’ ultimate goal: the abolition of privately-owned firearms.

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That's the point. There is far more harmful substances out there than lead but they don't seem to worried about our health with them.
It's hypocrisy and prejudice to a minority sector.

Personally I doubt it will be enforced.
Fox hunting was banned decades ago, still goes on. Hunting with archery was banned, still goes on.

I can see swaging equipment sales going up. Black market demand for bullet molds doing nicely.
Scrapyard lead sales up 1000%.
Interesting times ahead for sure.
Here’s how I see it going.
I’d start my monitoring at the dealers, game containing lead will be condemned, incinerated and traced back to the estate, shoot, date and team. This traceability is already in place.
Shoots offering lead shot game will be fined and face loss of their licences, in very short order, game shoots will fall into line and adapt their drives to non lead performance.
That leaves hedgerow ramblers and deer stalkers. Provided you are not selling what you shoot into a licensed dealer, you’ll probably get away with what you’re doing, but I bet that the penalties for being in possession of lead ammo post transition will be financially severe and involve loss of certificates. One nosy copper at a traffic stop or called out to a report of an armed man in a field is all it would take.
I personally wouldn’t chance it, it’s just not worth losing my shooting and my firearms so I’ll fall in line.
I suspect that most people will.
I know that you use muzzle loaders, you tell me that steel doesn’t perform at black powder velocities. So why not use Bismuth or Hevi shot?
Personally I take the view that shooting a muzzle loader is not a high volume sport, therefor I’d take the financial hit and use some other projectile, but if you dump the shot flask, the only evidence is in the barrels, and a squeeze on the triggers gets rid of it.
 
Was not looking to disagree but understand the scope of the impact of the proposal.

Clearly they have never heard of .17 or .204 centrefire calibre. The GTA say .22lr only.

I do not read it that 30 trumps 35.

As you say time will tell.
The Austrian 14mm rimfireround can be used then?
 
If you obviously knew that there was no link, then you obviously knew it was a joke, and obviously if you knew it was a joke you wouldn’t have asked.
Therefor you obviously didn’t know that there was no link or you would have obviously known that it was a joke and not posed the question.
Jesus, jokes on this forum can be hard work sometimes, and not always for the obvious reason.
That doesn’t really tie in , while I obviously knew there was no link due to my background in microbiology I was curious to know whether you knew there wasn’t.I had no way of knowing whether you were joking or not as I do not know you . The lack of emojis indicating a light hearted remark being absent does leave your post open to misinterpretation especially as in fairness as a joke it wasn’t exactly a sidesplitter but in hindsight I now concede that it was quite witty
 
Expense - really?? How much do you spend on diesel, digital optics, clothing, tyres, new rifles, range fees etc. etc.

Ammo for any rifle is expensive. Cheapest 223 FMJ ammo I can find is now £35 a box of 50 cartridges. Lead bulleted 223 cartridges suitable for live quarry are well over £1 a shot. With any sort of premium bullet, £2 a shot. I recently paid over £60 for 50 Winchester 22 Hornet cartridges with very basic soft point bullets.

I reload. With my 243 or 7mm I am paying £50 to £60 for 50 lead free bullets. That’s just over £1 a bullet.

A basic lead bullet is about 50p a bullet. Non expanding monolithic training bullets are about the same price as lead bullets. Admittedly they are harder to come buy, and not available in all calibres and bullet weights. But where they are available they mimic the trajectory of the hunting bullets.

The serious target and gong shooters I know are running premium lead cored bullets - these are getting on for £2 a bullet.


Costs of primers and powder are still the same.

So now ive got the opportunity to reply properly - the current load im using across the 243 and prc is the sierra tgk which suits me out to 500+ yards and work a treat. The lead free that matches the performance of that bullet is the yew tree TLR. The sierra is around 38-40p a bullet. The yew tree around £1.20-£1.25 a bullet (before post, I can pick up sierra locally but not yew tree). Thats 3 sierra bullets for 1 yew tree. Now take in to consideration i can fire off 50-60 rounds during a range session/plinking session ringing gongs. There in lies the problem. Its automatically three times more expensive. THREE TIMES MORE EEXPENSIVE. Powder and primers remain the same but that 50 rounds throughout a day in the hills would cost considerably less with lead.

You sit there single minded as usual and not thinking about all the other shooters that actually enjoy training and shooting their rifles. We don't just shoot one or two deer a month. I'm out foxing every week, rabbits and long range corvids likewise and then shooting anywhere between 30-50 deer a year depending on work constraints and deer activity. Yes, that expense of three times the price adds up bloody quick.

As for your comment on mimicking hunting bullets, don't talk such bo11ocks. They're usually half the BC of a decent lead bullet (shaped like a brick 9/10) and don't offer anyway near the same terminal performance as lead. Shoot a deer at 400 with both and I put good money on it the lead kills quicker. I know this because ive actually tried this (hence me knowing the closest thing is the yew tree TLR).

Simmer down for once and open your bloody eyes.
 
Can anyone point me to any actual evidence of the lead from shooting being a problem?
Other than the usual LEAD = BAD .

And air gun pellets are exempt because air gun shooters will not obey any law, and it will be impossible to police, according to the initial draft proposal to the .gov - so rifle and shotgun shooters are too law abiding and will blindly follow any law, it seems.
I understand the ban or even restrictions on shot guns. I get that. You're talking 30g of lead a cartridge whereas a 150g bullet is what, 9.5gram? You also tend to fire considerably more shot gun cartridges than rifle ammo during a day's shoot. I doubt rifle ammunition has caused any issued to be honest. We've been asking the likes of Heym for a while to give us proof and he can't 👀
 
There's no end to this in sight, but I'll take up Dunwater's theme on the small matter of compliance.

Selling, Purchase, Possession, and Use of muzzleloader balls, shotgun cartridges, centrefire ammunition & projectiles containing Lead will be banned for quarry shooters. You will need your FAC conditioned for any 'toxic' stuff.

This reminds me of the days of 'Expanding Ammunition & Missiles' before the Policing and Crime Act 2017 when you needed a Condition & Pt II Allocation on your FAC to get these from an RFD. Without a specific authorisation for lead you'll be in illegal possession in the same way.
Section 1(3A) 'Possessing component parts of ammunition with intent to manufacture' came into force on 1st May 2025 in case nobody noticed.

All of this is in the DEFRA statement.
59. Individuals with collections of lead ammunition that is not for firing – providing they hold the relevant condition on their firearm or shot gun license - are exempted from the restriction. These collections do not result in lead entering the environment and so I consider that it is proportionate to allow this.

Exemptions to these bans

The Restriction shall not apply to projectiles intended for use or used by, or placed on the market for use by, persons whose certificate conditions specify that the projectiles are not to be fired.
 
How long before there’s a ‘black market’ for lead core bullets used for ‘home consumption’ quarry… 🤔

P.S. anyone want to buy some 6.5mm PSP CoreLokt bullets?? - I don’t need them now as I’ve just bought the entire remaining stock of 120gn 6.5mm Sako Powerhead Blades from one supplier at the old rrp 😎
 
That doesn’t really tie in , while I obviously knew there was no link due to my background in microbiology I was curious to know whether you knew there wasn’t.I had no way of knowing whether you were joking or not as I do not know you . The lack of emojis indicating a light hearted remark being absent does leave your post open to misinterpretation especially as in fairness as a joke it wasn’t exactly a sidesplitter but in hindsight I now concede that it was quite witty
Sorry, but it was so obviously a joke to me that I never even considered that it might not be obvious to others.
Obviously your career in microbiology has trained you to concentrate on minutiae, in this case a slightly wider focus on the subject matter would have led you to the obvious conclusion that it was a joke.
The lack of emoji’s was obviously intentional because while the subject matter was serious, my response was humorous.
I utterly reject your contention that my conclusion lacked scientific basis or rigour.
I confined myself strictly to the question before me.
In both cases quoted, the animals had been harvested using lead ammunition, both carcasses had subsequently been contaminated and both had gone into the food chain. Therefor the common link was obviously the lead ammunition rather than grotty processing facilities.
( JOKE, obviously but I’ve read worse conclusions based on less evidence in respectable publications ).
And now some emoji’s … :tiphat: :D:lol:
 
There's no end to this in sight, but I'll take up Dunwater's theme on the small matter of compliance.

Selling, Purchase, Possession, and Use of muzzleloader balls, shotgun cartridges, centrefire ammunition & projectiles containing Lead will be banned for quarry shooters. You will need your FAC conditioned for any 'toxic' stuff.

This reminds me of the days of 'Expanding Ammunition & Missiles' before the Policing and Crime Act 2017 when you needed a Condition & Pt II Allocation on your FAC to get these from an RFD. Without a specific authorisation for lead you'll be in illegal possession in the same way.
Section 1(3A) 'Possessing component parts of ammunition with intent to manufacture' came into force on 1st May 2025 in case nobody noticed.

All of this is in the DEFRA statement.
59. Individuals with collections of lead ammunition that is not for firing – providing they hold the relevant condition on their firearm or shot gun license - are exempted from the restriction. These collections do not result in lead entering the environment and so I consider that it is proportionate to allow this.

Exemptions to these bans

The Restriction shall not apply to projectiles intended for use or used by, or placed on the market for use by, persons whose certificate conditions specify that the projectiles are not to be fired.
If that comes to be at the end of the transition period, if no compensation available for "Illegal " cartridges, I'll be salvaging and weighing in the lead and dropping any primed and powdered cases at my local police station for disposal. If they can fund £5 per ninja sword to get them off the streets, they can fund the same per 25 cartridges.
 
How long before there’s a ‘black market’ for lead core bullets used for ‘home consumption’ quarry… 🤔

P.S. anyone want to buy some 6.5mm PSP CoreLokt bullets?? - I don’t need them now as I’ve just bought the entire remaining stock of 120gn 6.5mm Sako Powerhead Blades from one supplier at the old rrp 😎
All well and good,but if found in possession of a banned item at any time, I think you can say goodbye to your licence.
 
All well and good,but if found in possession of a banned item at any time, I think you can say goodbye to your licence.
I have target shooting on my FAC so I have a perfectly legitimate reason for having lead cored bullets & for having any condition necessary added to cover it - the range where they are used already manages lead extraction from the stop butts.

I’ll be needing to get a condition for solid lead bullets as well by the sound of things because all my rook rifles shoot them!
 
While I know this is a joke, I'd be really interested to see the results
It's no joke. I took several birds with a mishmash of mixed airgun pellets and lead shot I acquired.
I didn't use the brown Bess in the popular way to take a pheasant mind. I stalked them and rabbits.
 
I’ll be needing to get a condition for solid lead bullets as well by the sound of things because all my rook rifles shoot them!
I've not read the whole thread, but surely no-one is anticipating more 'conditions' on FACs to micro-manage possession of different types of projectiles, like we had before the 'expanding bullets are S5'-debacle was reversed?

I'd hope FACs would be left unmolested by this legislation - and that shooters would be relied on to conduct themselves within the new laws, just as they do within the current ones. Even the most hardened club-hating stalker might want to use a range with approved bullet-catchers from time to time, and might like to do so with old-fashioned lead bullets either to use old stocks up, or because they're cheaper for higher-volume practice shooting.
 
Used to keep lead airgun pellets in my mouth as a teenager,quicker for reloading.
All the other lads did it too,worked with Iriduim 192 & Cobalt as an industrial radiographer in power station boilers,still here alive & kicking.
Lot can happen in between the total banning of lead ammunition but one guarantee is the current crop of WEFminster grifters will do everything they can do to make shooting sports not worth bothering with.
 
I have target shooting on my FAC so I have a perfectly legitimate reason for having lead cored bullets & for having any condition necessary added to cover it - the range where they are used already manages lead extraction from the stop butts.

I’ll be needing to get a condition for solid lead bullets as well by the sound of things because all my rook rifles shoot them!
Its still copper on the outside 👀😂😂
 
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