Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement

[Ruger#1]

For the purposes of clarification, there was absolutely no link between the salmonella and the use of lead shot, but the question was open to misinterpretation, so I deliberately did.

I obviously knew there would be no link I just wanted to know whether you knew that too.

 

[Smellydog]

So re my breech loading shotguns I'm not going to care!
The government doesn't care for my desires so nor will I.
I won't care about littering plastic wads everywhere and I won't care if I lose a bird either.
Not my fault, the blood is on their hands.

 

[Shootgun]

As i haven't used lead in any of my rifles, except the .22 LR, for over 10 years, i'm not bothered whatsoever. However, i do understand why some people might have concerns.
There are plenty of non-lead alternatives that work !
And fortunately, all my shotguns are superior steel proofed...

 

[Ruger#1]

Perhaps not. I suppose it depends whether the non-lead bullet works.

Other rifles are more specific in terms of required bullet dimensions and don’t work with non-lead bullets (thus far). BASC appears to have no interest whatsoever in representing the interests of those of its members for whom non-lead ammunition is not a viable option, and has not claimed to have lifted a finger to argue for either exemptions or compensation for them.

I raised this issue a year and a half ago on another forum. The BASC representative refused to acknowledge the question and in that thread gave no indication or reassurance that BASC would seek any exemption for low level use of historic firearms.
It appears that they haven’t and probably won’t seek exemptions despite earlier stating that they had always opposed further restrictions.
Matthew 7.16 “By their deeds you shall know them” seems appropriate

 

[Husk]

If lead is that bad then 85% of houses in the uk are still

on lead water pipes where children infants are drinking from so that would be the highest risk, you really can’t see by you comments what you are actually supporting do you

Thanks for that info. The fact is that lead is hazardous to health and the environment and if we can move away from it we should. There are some really good non toxic rounds around some even made in the UK. Struggling to see the down side. Yes some calibers may become obsolete/hard to find bullets for, but this happens to calibers over time. We all knew it was coming.

 

[jall55]

Still there after months.
What an own goal
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But we dont need to use these now SD

 

[newsatten]

The devil will be in the detail, especially for ranges requiring pollution control, managed ranges, that could be very expensive to implement.

Just another cut in the death by a thousand

 

[Ruger#1]

Yes. To which the reply I received from Conor O'Gorman


That rat you shot with lead shot came at the expense of how many birds that subsequently ate the lead shot you fired in your garden? Maybe none, maybe some. That is perhaps the bigger picture to bear in mind as regards live quarry shooting where the risks of lead shot dissemination cannot be contained - the approach of HSE has been zero risk in this respect - so if there are to be exemptions, what should be the cut off point be as regards the continuation of lead shot for live quarry shooting - and is it politically tenable to argue to continue to poison birds using some types of cartridges 'just because'?

An excellent example, one of many, that showcases the level of commitment to opposing further lead shot restrictions which doesn’t quite tie in with the earlier claim that BASC have “always opposed further lead shot restrictions”
It begs the question on what grounds were BASC opposing further restrictions when their representative can express concern over the number of birds put at risk by firing one 9mm shot shell at one rat.

 

[Smellydog]

But we dont need to use these now SD

They are a bio wad made by or used by Hull cartridge!
Besides that my friend, thousands will choose the cheapest option going and I don't blame them.
Ifs, buts and maybes won't have any say in it.
It's a huge own goal born on the wings of appeasement. Never had worked and never will.

 

[dollman]

Thanks for that info. The fact is that lead is hazardous to health and the environment and if we can move away from it we should. There are some really good non toxic rounds around some even made in the UK. Struggling to see the down side. Yes some calibers may become obsolete/hard to find bullets for, but this happens to calibers over time. We all knew it was coming.

It’s not about being hazardous too our health, it’s not about the environment never has been , do you not really understand the big picture on this ,
how too dismantle a wall with out any one knowing until it’s too late you take it down brick by brick ,
take care buddy

 

[Liveonce]

An excellent example, one of many, that showcases the level of commitment to opposing further lead shot restrictions which doesn’t quite tie in with the earlier claim that BASC have “always opposed further lead shot restrictions”
It begs the question on what grounds were BASC opposing further restrictions when their representative can express concern over the number of birds put at risk by firing one 9mm shot shell at one rat.

my credibility of BASC is at an all time low. They do some good work on occasion but on the lead ban they have been two faced, in that they really wanted a ban of lead shot but would not publicly say so tried to limit the damage with bullets but got bitten with the .243.

Would have had more respect for them if they had simply said, yes we think it is time for shooting to move away from lead.

Still 2029 is sometime away yet a lot can happen in that time, we may be at war in europe if Putin continues past Ukraine.

 

[Smellydog]

Lead is less dangerous than the elements in catalytic converters. Agri chemicals and agri slurry. Waterways pollution is far more menacing to all life and an ever growing issue than any amount of lead.

 

[enfieldspares]

It’s not about being hazardous too our health, it’s not about the environment never has been , do you not really understand the big picture on this ,
how too dismantle a wall with out any one knowing until it’s too late you take it down brick by brick ,
take care buddy

Like that salami sausage too. Thin slice by thin slice. And before you notice it's all gone. Which as my American friends tell me is why the NRA has what seems if you don't remember DOLLMAN's wall or that sausage an otherwise seemingly indefensible policy of "not one step back". Or as Kipling called it...Danegeld.

 

[Husk]

It’s not about being hazardous too our health, it’s not about the environment never has been , do you not really understand the big picture on this ,
how too dismantle a wall with out any one knowing until it’s too late you take it down brick by brick ,
take care buddy

All I see is a lead brick being removed and a copper one being put in it's place. I must be missing something obvious.

 

[Dunwaters]

I obviously knew there would be no link I just wanted to know whether you knew that too.

If you obviously knew that there was no link, then you obviously knew it was a joke, and obviously if you knew it was a joke you wouldn’t have asked.
Therefor you obviously didn’t know that there was no link or you would have obviously known that it was a joke and not posed the question.
Jesus, jokes on this forum can be hard work sometimes, and not always for the obvious reason.

 

[Dunwaters]

The government and the tories have been serious all along. l was told by a Lord who works in Westminster 4 years ago that unless non toxic was accepted shooting as we know it would finish.

To rehash old ground…..the whole argument changed once the WHO issued its finding that lead was a harmful heavy metal with no safe level and REACH used that finding to ask what we in the shooting sector were doing to comply.
That finding turned the argument 180 degrees, rather than the EU commission having to prove that lead was harmful, we, the users, now had to prove that it was not.
No one has presented any evidence to counter that finding so far, so we got the ban.

 

[enfieldspares]

All I see is a lead brick being removed and a copper one being put in it's place. I must be missing something obvious.

If there are no non-lead 9mm Rimfire sized bricks available then in three years time 9mm Rimfire becomes illegal to use.

 

[Dunwaters]

Lead is less dangerous than the elements in catalytic converters. Agri chemicals and agri slurry. Waterways pollution is far more menacing to all life and an ever growing issue than any amount of lead.

Fook me, we’d be better off if we all stay home. Gawd knows what hazards I expose myself to every single time I leave the house. We don’t have lead pipes or flashing and I can easily steer clear of polluted waterways by giving up the fishing. Actually giving up fishing isn’t a bad shout, I can get rid of all those lead weights and reduce my exposure to Weils disease at the same time.
Not driving anymore because of what’s in the cat would be difficult, I suppose I could get an old pre Euro 4 Diesel without one.
Could you weld me up a stainless steel exhaust for an old 6 cylinder Amazon?

 

[Smellydog]

Fook me, we’d be better off if we all stay home. Gawd knows what hazards I expose myself to every single time I leave the house. We don’t have lead pipes or flashing and I can easily steer clear of polluted waterways by giving up the fishing. Actually giving up fishing isn’t a bad shout, I can get rid of all those lead weights and reduce my exposure to Weils disease at the same time.
Not driving anymore because of what’s in the cat would be difficult, I suppose I could get an old pre Euro 4 Diesel without one.
Could you weld me up a stainless steel exhaust for an old 6 cylinder Amazon?

That's the point. There is far more harmful substances out there than lead but they don't seem to worried about our health with them.
It's hypocrisy and prejudice to a minority sector.

Personally I doubt it will be enforced.
Fox hunting was banned decades ago, still goes on. Hunting with archery was banned, still goes on.

I can see swaging equipment sales going up. Black market demand for bullet molds doing nicely.
Scrapyard lead sales up 1000%.
Interesting times ahead for sure.

 

[Greenmist]

And how long d'you reckon it'll be before some bright spark decides to raise the question of copper toxicity in grazing livestock?

Not just livestock, there is an actual amount of copper which is considered lethal to humans, lower end of which is 10g (thats a 155gn bullet)