oh they have thought it through save commercial game shooting and to hell with the rest.
All BASC council meeting minutes on lead in-confidence tells you all you need to know.
Interesting open letter concerning the lead shot/ammunition ban
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All BASC council meeting minutes on lead in-confidence tells you all you need to know.
In the same way that classic / vintage cars are granted exemptions to certain rules that apply to more modern vehicles
I think the fear is if that approach is taken then it would mean opening the gate to actually evaluating the harm done by lead dispersal from various shooting practices. When the mantra at the minute is no level of lead dispersal or presence is safe that is very unlikely to happen no matter how logical that approach would be.
The political agenda at play evidenced by the 180 turn around in statements issued by the various representative bodies over the years leaves little room for supporting minimal impact lead ammunition use. The support for banning the use of lead shot on clay shooting grounds is a great example of the determination to follow that political agenda contrary to common sense.
timbrayford
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If possession of lead shot itself is prohibited wouldn't exemptions lead to burden of proof issues with the onus on proving innocence rather than guilt, and is there not a risk that we find ourselves in a similar position to the now defunct expandible projectiles restrictions? This would of course require shotguns to be moved to S1 so that the certificate could be conditioned to permit purchases, possession and use of lead shot?In the same way that classic / vintage cars are granted exemptions to certain rules that apply to more modern vehicles
I think you worry too much.
Spear Chucker
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Judging from the remarks around tfe Policing Minister's ideas, that may well be the plan!
timbrayford
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Actually I think that there's a wider issue here:-
The police want good reason to apply to shotguns
The government wants to further restrict what ammunition we can use
The shooting community wants sound moderators to no longer be treated as firearms - the government has agreed to this, but instead of dealing with it by statutory instrument have said that they want to move primary legislation.
Doesn't it rather look like an amended, more restrictive Firearms Act is on the government's agenda?
The police want good reason to apply to shotguns
The government wants to further restrict what ammunition we can use
The shooting community wants sound moderators to no longer be treated as firearms - the government has agreed to this, but instead of dealing with it by statutory instrument have said that they want to move primary legislation.
Doesn't it rather look like an amended, more restrictive Firearms Act is on the government's agenda?
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timbrayford
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basc welcomes ? .......
I'm not convinced that the bigger picture is quite as big as you think it is.
Shall we agree to differ?
timbrayford
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Absolutely, but I would point out that for the government to achieve its goals amending the Firearms Act would save themselves an awful lot of effort and parliamentary time.I'm not convinced that the bigger picture is quite as big as you think it is.
Shall we agree to differ?
Within the context of parliamentary draughtman's time:-
Moving shotguns to s1 -simple cut & paste
Prohibited ammunition- simple edit of existing sections to add the new prohibitions
Sound moderators- simple deletion of relevant section.
Spear Chucker
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I'm with you Tim, but love the idea of the fuzz trying to process it all. They can barely cope with firearms alone.
timbrayford
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You rather hope that at some point the government takes on board the modernisation of secure financial transactions over the past 40 or 50 years to see if lessons can be learnt to bring firearms administration out of the 1920s and into the modern era .
They're having enough of a job trying to bring ammunition into the modern era, let alone the associated admin! Just think of the resistance there would be from all those nostalgic shooters!
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks, I will pass your feedback onto colleagues.
not really Tim ...... for a start its not bringing ammunition into the modern era its an unecesarry restriction introducing an inferior material , and secondly anything that makes firearms licencing simpler while not causing extra restrictions on fac holders can only be a good thing , the caveat being no extra restricitions
My tongue was firmly in my cheek, as I'm sure you're well aware.
timbrayford
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