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Interesting open letter concerning the lead shot/ammunition ban
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Conor O'Gorman
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I don't think any of us need to be constantly reminded of your rather unhealthy obsessive comments about John.
Smellydog
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I don't mind, I enjoy it actually
Not unhealthy at all just pointing out the hypocrisy
timbrayford
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Haven't you got anything useful to contribute?
Conor O'Gorman
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The HSE and the UK government are for lead shot restrictions. The ECHA and European Commission are for lead shot restrictions. It is now a matter of when, not if, lead shot restrictions take effect, or are you saying that your organisation has a plan to successfully oppose the restrictions?Funny not one case of illness mentioned though Connor proven from lead shot game if it’s so dangerous must be easy to proveanyway I thought you were against lead shot restrictions? Seems you argue pretty strongly for them with your chum
Conor O'Gorman
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Do you believe there is evidence of birds ingesting lead shot in the wild within wetlands?
timbrayford
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I believe that John Swift is an embarrassment to BASC and I understand perfectly well why you wish to take the discussion off topic which is the content of Mark Crudgington's letter.
Conor O'Gorman
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Yourself and a handful of others truly obsessed with BASC are doing an effective job of taking the discussion off topic. Now we are on the science so let's try again. Do you believe there is evidence of birds ingesting lead shot in the wild within wetlands?
timbrayford
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Conor, you are clearly looking for some ridiculous point scoring argument whilst the rest of us are trying to , and in your absence, having a sensible discussion, despite the wide divergence of opinions.
BASC have clearly sided with the HSE and the UK government in supporting the lead ban, despite claiming to be "The Voice of Shooting".
Given Mark Crudgington's letter and the ensuing discussion thereof it is questionable just whose voice BASC really belongs too?
BASC have clearly sided with the HSE and the UK government in supporting the lead ban, despite claiming to be "The Voice of Shooting".
Given Mark Crudgington's letter and the ensuing discussion thereof it is questionable just whose voice BASC really belongs too?
I thought BASC was opposed to further lead shot restrictions , if so what is their plan to put into effect their opposition ?
It seems from your post that BASC have given up that opposition and have no idea how to proceed.
Who has been allocated to take the lead in BASC to muster opposition to further lead ammunition restrictions as per policy ?
Personal sad to say but I think BASC have done more than just supporting the HSE in the scope of the lead ban but likely helped determine it, especially lead shot, they just did not expect 243 to be included which is why they are upset by that and trying to get 243 excluded.
Conor do you own a 243
Conor do you own a 243
Heym SR20
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Gentlemen, rather than pouring lots of scorn, outrage and vitriol at myself, and representatives of shooting organisations of which few of you are members, why don’t you turn your attention to your elected representatives called MPs.
Write letters to them outlining all the good evidence that you no doubt have showing lead has very positive health benefits, and rather than banning lead ammunition on the basis of the findings of the Health and Safety Executive, the Government should immediately reinstate lead in petrol, lead in paints, lead in food packaging etc etc.
Clearly you are all absolutely correct in your beliefs, so why not get your great leader Nigel Farage onto the case.
Write letters to them outlining all the good evidence that you no doubt have showing lead has very positive health benefits, and rather than banning lead ammunition on the basis of the findings of the Health and Safety Executive, the Government should immediately reinstate lead in petrol, lead in paints, lead in food packaging etc etc.
Clearly you are all absolutely correct in your beliefs, so why not get your great leader Nigel Farage onto the case.
Instead of asking pointless questions your credibility would be better served by outlining the action BASC will now take in their efforts to oppose further lead shot restrictions as per their policy.
BASC members are subscribing to ensure protection of their sport. Now that work is required on their behalf are BASC just happy to sit back and accept draconian restrictions or are they going to step up to the plate and lobby against those proposed restrictions that they state they oppose.
A cessation of the pro restriction lead ingestion posts would be a start but there’s a lot of ground to make up to reassure the shooting community that BASC is a credible representative of the shooting communities best interests.
timbrayford
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Thats jumping to way too many conclusions but I do agree with your point about writing to MPs with carefully structured arguments, but didn't you and I discuss this on a different thread?
Can you provide any evidence that lead shot over the tiny area of land used for clay pigeon shooting is harming the environment? as i sure as hell have found no way to cook the clay pigeons,
Yet putting down millions and millions of non native birds in the countryside must do a million more times harm to the environment.
And fear not my BASC membership is via an association affiliated to BASC but at the next AGM i will put forward a proposal that we seek insurance elsewhere.
Edit to add nigel farage is at least pro gun ownership.
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Smellydog
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No, no I don't believe birds on wetlands are suffering from lead of any kind.
I could take you to silt beds of old disused lead mines and show you all sorts of waterfowl.
I could take you to waters that have been shot over for hundreds of years nearly, certainly more than 100years and they are covered with waterfowl.
So no, I don't believe it.
Conor O'Gorman
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BASC opposed the HSE restriction proposals at every stage of its review. That's on record. You are truly letting yourself down with assertions that "BASC have clearly sided with the HSE and the UK government in supporting the lead ban". This thread is far from a sensible discussion because yourself and few other people obsessed with BASC constantly bring BASC into the discussion. Try something new. Move on from your obsession with BASC and indeed John. You might feel better for it. Whilst still on the science, let's ask that question again: do you believe there is evidence of birds ingesting lead shot in the wild within wetlands?
Heym SR20
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Well get on and show the evidence that you have gathered to the HSE, your MP, Nigel Farage etc etc.
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