oh i dont think its free theyve cost us all quite a lot , just some people cant see itWhat is abundantly clear is that BASC lives rent-free in some SD members heads!
oh i dont think its free theyve cost us all quite a lot , just some people cant see itWhat is abundantly clear is that BASC lives rent-free in some SD members heads!
With respect as regards input into the forum with thisWith respect you have no idea what his job description is, and your perpetual nonsense does you no credit.
I have had long and detailed conversations with Conor and he is an extremely intelligent man and well qualified to discuss the subject ... and to say he is just paying lip service to corporate BASC views just shows how little you know.
Nothing would compensate him for the perpetual aggravation and provocation leveled at him on this site and actually am surprised how he puts up with it frankly.
How about you give the BASC bashing a rest as frankly you distract and destroy so many useful threads.
Who do you use for your insurance these days Bill as you said "when I was a member of BASC"When I was a member of BASC for many years Conor was always there so I stayed for a few more years.
Why because he cared he is only one person in any chain.
If we had more like him shooting would have a chance to survive we all need orgs to voice our thoughts.
What was voluntary about it ? no members volunteered for it , they had it forced upon them by their respective orgs , so hardly voluntary is it ..............As a NGO member why do you regularly wade into BASC related threads for some BASC bashing given that its decades since you left BASC? The shooting organisations work together on key issues, such as the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting, which has been supported by BASC and NGO. Perhaps drop the axe, it's decades overdue.
What I see is that:oh i dont think its free theyve cost us all quite a lot , just some people cant see it
That’s 100% fact and a subject that will be a Thorn in the arse for a long time to comeWhat was voluntary about it ? no members volunteered for it , they had it forced upon them by their respective orgs , so hardly voluntary is it ..............
I agree with some of the points raised , what concerns me is the BASC claims to be democratic yet no votes on lead and the minutes on lead are confidentialWhat I see is that:
Shooters and stalkers in the UK get exactly the organisations they deserve.
- Most members have no experience of running a membership organisation, but feel entitled to pontificate on how they should be run
- Most members don't support their local branches or branch events
- Most members don't volunteer to stand for election
- Most members don't volunteer to help
- Most members don't bother to vote
- Most members don't really care about anything other than getting the cheapest insurance
- Most members will jump ship to another organisation at the drop of the hat, but don't hold those other organisations to anything like the same standard
- Most members expect an organisation that campaigns like the NRA in the USA, but aren't willing to put their hands in their pockets to fund it
You failed (not surprising) to add a huge numbers of BASC members are tied into them via their wildfowling clubs and have no choice, they have a voice but no choice (or leave the club)What I see is that:
Shooters and stalkers in the UK get exactly the organisations they deserve.
- Most members have no experience of running a membership organisation, but feel entitled to pontificate on how they should be run
- Most members don't support their local branches or branch events
- Most members don't volunteer to stand for election
- Most members don't volunteer to help
- Most members don't bother to vote
- Most members don't really care about anything other than getting the cheapest insurance
- Most members will jump ship to another organisation at the drop of the hat, but don't hold those other organisations to anything like the same standard
- Most members expect an organisation that campaigns like the NRA in the USA, but aren't willing to put their hands in their pockets to fund it

i have bought about rejoining and standing for the BASC council, but my wife advised me not to attempt a crusade I couldn’t win!
If I did win a place on the council I would turn up a a meeting and let rip wholesale, to which I would be asked to leave and not return so it would be a fruitless exercise
You failed (not surprising) to add a huge numbers of BASC members are tied into them via their wildfowling clubs and have no choice, they have a voice but no choice (or leave the club)
If you are going to cast your net make sure the cod end is tied off.![]()
If you - and others here - truly believe that by doing so you will be reflecting the wishes of sufficient BASC members to get you elected then you should do it.
Otherwise be happy with the organisations of your choice, and leave BASC to do its own thing.
So why did you not include the wildfowlers in you list of Most people?You've said yourself that they have a choice, but for most it comes down to practicality, rather than principle.
So why did you not include the wildfowlers in you list of Most people?
You had my vote David.Not that easy to get elected to council. I tried and didn't make it. I am sure some of it was my fault but the numbers that vote are fairly pitiful.
David.
That really would be the most pleasant outcome for all concerned.Otherwise be happy with the organisations of your choice, and leave BASC to do its own thing.
But, on the other hand, if you (or any of the other vocal 'tell it like it is' BASC-bashers) were to be voted to the council and you thumped your chest, let rip and told them like it is, they might not throw you out but thank you for your blunt honesty and, after a bit of to and fro, they might say, 'well how we got here is now all in the past, water under the bridge. What do you propose we do now?'If I did win a place on the council I would turn up a a meeting and let rip wholesale, to which I would be asked to leave and not return so it would be a fruitless exercise
If I honestly thought it was a battle that I could win, I would do it, but unfortunately I have got an inch of doubt and if I have got an inch doubt I will not go to war!That really would be the most pleasant outcome for all concerned.
But, on the other hand, if you (or any of the other vocal 'tell it like it is' BASC-bashers) were to be voted to the council and you thumped your chest, let rip and told them like it is, they might not throw you out but thank you for your blunt honesty and, after a bit of to and fro, they might say, 'well how we got here is now all in the past, water under the bridge. What do you propose we do now?'
What would you say?