Register of competent deer stalkers - results?

[Mickeydredd]

I agree with some of the points raised , what concerns me is the BASC claims to be democratic yet no votes on lead and the minutes on lead are confidential

But Chris, that isn’t how organisations such as BASC operate.

The Council members that are elected by members (yes, a very small percentage but again that’s the nature of the beast e.g. only 200 odd SD members voted on your recent poll) are given a mandate to vote on members’ behalf. That is democratic. I’m sure that labour voters don’t agree with all the decisions being made by the current government!

There is no way that a vote can be organised for every single decision, whether such an important topic should merit one could of course be argued.

BASC is a big and unwieldy beast and there will always be issues / decisions to argue against, as we see constantly on here. As many have pointed out though, what are all the other organisations doing for the shooting cause?

I’d also say that folk seem to expect too much of a shooting organisation, whilst they may score some small victories on policy, they are simply swatted aside by the vote-hungry politicians who make the most non-sensible and ill-informed decisions impacting our sport and countryside.

I strongly agree with you that it is a disgrace that full Council minutes are not available to members if that is the case!

 

[VSS]

If I honestly thought it was a battle that I could win, I would do it, but unfortunately I have got an inch of doubt and if I have got an inch doubt I will not go to war!

If I went onto the BASC Council, I would not rock the tree. I would cut it down and unfortunately, I don’t think they’re ready for that.

But it is certainly something I have thought about that’s for sure

Unfortunately, that is often the only way with long established, entrenched organisations that have become inward-looking old boys' clubs, safe and secure in their positions, but no longer representative of the rank and file.
You've got to rock the boat so hard that everything comes crashing down, mass resignations (including yourself, more than likely), and then let it rise up again with completely fresh blood and new ideas.
In another 20 years or so it probably needs to be done all over again, as by that time the new blood has become an old boys' club, just as before. History repeats itself over and over again.

(I'm not referring specifically to BASC here, but membership organisations in general, but I do think it's time for BASC).

 

[Chris Richardson]

Whilst I agree that every single decision couldn’t be voted on ( would take far too much time ) a decision like this definitely should have been , not just by basc by ngo etc but I’ve a funny feeling that they knew how that would go …. And yes we’re in agreement the minutes shouldn’t be confidential that fly’s in the face of basc saying they’re open and transparent

 

[willie_gunn]

All this discussion about BASC is well and good, and (for our sins!) will doubtless be revisited a hundred times again, but what does it have to do with the register of competent stalkers?

Someone resurrected this thread to ask if any offers had been forthcoming, and I have pointed out that they had.

If you wish to discuss the rights and wrongs of BASC's governance, their lack of transparency, the unfairness of being forced to be a member through whichever shoot syndicate or wildforwling group you happen to belong to, and the possibilities (or otherwise) of being elected to Council......would it not make sense to start a separate thread?

Otherwise this one is likely to go the way of so many others that mention BASC, and end up locked!

 

[The Singing Stalker]

Oh dear God, I have waded through every page of this to find it has sod all to do with the deer stalking register. Again.

 

[Happy stalker]

All this organisation and some personal bashing does absolutely nothing! to help our industry, times and things change wether it’s for the good no sure that’s life, regroup and adapt to change and move on, if you are not happy then give it up nothing lasts forever.
Look within guys!
Have a nice day!
I know I will.

 

[Chris Richardson]

All this organisation and some personal bashing does absolutely nothing! to help our industry, times and things change wether it’s for the good no sure that’s life, regroup and adapt to change and move on, if you are not happy then give it up nothing lasts forever.
Look within guys!
Have a nice day!
I know I will.

Neither does paying basc but plenty seem happy to do so

 

[Happy stalker]

plenty seem happy to do so

Yes including myself, since the late 70s
The biggest problem is within, think about it !

 

[Kalahari]

You had my vote David.

Thank you. Funnily enough if only an extra 50 others on here had joined you I would have made it.

David.

 

[VSS]

Thank you. Funnily enough if only an extra 50 others on here had joined you I would have made it.

David.

You had my vote too

 

[bottletopbill]

When i was with BASC i never voted as they all looked range rover type shooters.
Not your average working class shooter my thought only.
I have since meet a lot of shooter's who i think would have made a difference.
In helping shooting ( all types )

 

[Chris Richardson]

Yes including myself, since the late 70s
The biggest problem is within, think about it !

So what exactly are you happy about with them ? Not a dig genuinely curious?

 

[Happy stalker]

So what exactly are you happy about with them ? Not a dig genuinely curious?

I am not interested in getting into a like or dislike, over the decades that I have been involved in this industry there has been many changes that I am sure I didn’t agree with, I am sure I voiced my displeasure giving an opinion as we are ALL entitled to do, just because you don’t agree with something we must learn to move on together, better stronger together than apart.
Enjoy what ever shooting you do.

 

[Chris Richardson]

I am not interested in getting into a like or dislike, over the decades that I have been involved in this industry there has been many changes that I am sure I didn’t agree with, I am sure I voiced my displeasure giving an opinion as we are ALL entitled to do, just because you don’t agree with something we must learn to move on together, better stronger together than apart.
Enjoy what ever shooting you do.

So you won’t make anything you like about them but yet happy to support them …….. ok
I suppose that’s the difference between us I don’t think constant capitulation is a good thing

 

[hendrix's rifle]

If I honestly thought it was a battle that I could win, I would do it, but unfortunately I have got an inch of doubt and if I have got an inch doubt I will not go to war!

If I went onto the BASC Council, I would not rock the tree. I would cut it down and unfortunately, I don’t think they’re ready for that.

But it is certainly something I have thought about that’s for sure

Id vote for you

 

[Happy stalker]

So you won’t make anything you like about them but yet happy to support them …….. ok
I suppose that’s the difference between us I don’t think constant capitulation is a good thing

Maybe you should form your own organisation.
Looking forward to that!

 

[Chris Richardson]

Maybe you should form your own organisation.
Looking forward to that!

You say the problem is from within and I fully agree with you sir as long as folk aren’t happy with their organisation and the decisions they make on their behalf but keep on forking out money for membership then that’s a big problem vote with your wallet as I did I found an organisation that agreed with my views on important issues , insurance didn’t matter to me as I have that separately, I guess some of us have more principles than others

 

[Happy stalker]

You say the problem is from within and I fully agree with you sir as long as folk aren’t happy with their organisation and the decisions they make on their behalf but keep on forking out money for membership then that’s a big problem vote with your wallet as I did

Good on you so move on enjoy what shooting you have, my continued membership with BASC says it all so no need to justify or discuss anything.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Good on you so move on enjoy what shooting you have, my continued membership with BASC says it all so no need to justify or discuss anything.

Not really though as you can’t name one thing you’re happy with about them I think that speaks volumes , enjoy your shooting too sir have a good day

 

[Happy stalker]

enjoy your shooting too sir have a good day

Thank you