Why do the Pro Hunting organisations not post on here?
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John Gryphon
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Have a whip around,get the necessary quid together and have pamphlets printed and sent out.
I agree with the thrust of your argument - that most organisations don’t use the channels to their potential audience (us) enough, but we are not the ones that need persuading. Its not popular view but hunting is a minority sport or interest in the UK, carried out on private land and with very little wider interest, beyond the odd festival, game fair or the annual Boxing Day meet. Much hunting is actually pest control and the benefits of hunting activities and wild meat are drowned out by the cacophony of activist voices calling for their own vision of what everyone else should be doing - re-wilding, green-washing, getting closer to “nature”, most of which conflicts with the way hunting and much of the countryside is organised. I object to activism as an approach to persuading me that I’m wrong and they are right, about anything. But in a world of shouty people who get their way, I reluctantly agree with you that we need to be better at communicating what we do and why. But we should also get better at sharing the access to land and our activities, rather than jealously guarding what we have until it’s taken from us. Lots of countries do it better - we could too, but not whilst it’s based on exclusivity and who you know. I include angling in the hunting tent - more accessible, but also more or less silent on the issues that matter until it’s too late.
timbrayford
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It would be good to see greater engagement by the various representative organisations with the shooting community, promoting the positives of what they do. However there's a fine dividing line between that and lecturing to people on what they should think and how they should conduct themselves. Amongst the worst offenders are those organisations that support and approve of further restrictions on our currently lawful activities.
Just to add my two penn'orth, those organisations that claim to support, promote and encourage all forms of shooting, but don't.
Perhaps there should be a 'National Deerstalkers Organisation' or a 'British Deerstalkers Society'? Personally I agree with the idea in having an umbrella group like BASC rather than weaker splinter groups - but if anybody were to create a national deerstalkers members group I would join.
As someone who has been involved with clubs at national level, it would be a helluva bumpy ride setting up such a group and you soon realise that we are a very diverse cross-section of society but.......It might be worth the effort
As someone who has been involved with clubs at national level, it would be a helluva bumpy ride setting up such a group and you soon realise that we are a very diverse cross-section of society but.......It might be worth the effort
Norfolk Deer Search
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Poor old Connor nothing. He’s paid for it , if he’s not he wouldn’t do it!
It’s a part of his job so he has to man up and take the stick!
Norfolk Deer Search
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But why bother with the hassle of it?
Once it gets to big it only takes 1 bad apple and the pie is ruined.
In my personal opinion scrap the lot of them, non of them you can trust a word they say.
To be successful you need trust and honesty from begging to end with no chinks in the armour.
Is that possible?
No I don’t think it is.
I would say they are all scrapping for their own corner of business so by having "one" spokesperson for each Org will require other people to look over that person's shoulder, also it would leave it open to the way that person responds as we see in the day to day replies.Let’s face it, as one of the largest U.K. hunting forums, surely if you were a pro hunting organisation looking to engage people, increase membership, lead the good fight, you would go to talk to the people where they are, i.e. here.
Why would I, for example, go join a gamekeepers organisation? I am not a gamekeeper. I mean, it’s in the title. I have seen their stands and not bothered talking to them because, I am not a gamekeeper, same as I walk past stands selling clay traps, because I don’t do clay shooting. (Again, it is an example, I am not singling them out)
Only one organisation contributes here, and that degenerates quickly. Please do not refer to that organisation, this is ALL about the other organisations that are out there.
So why don’t any of the others come on here and tell us what they are doing? Do they have enough members? They don’t want our money? I mean, a members magazine is to tell the members how good a job they are doing. You won’t get people to join by not telling non-members. Why would I want to join an organisation that doesn’t (seem to) actively promote itself?
Game fairs etc are ok, they can reach a couple of hundred people over a weekend when they talk one to one, but look at the expense of running the stand.
But if I put a post on here, it could be seen by thousands, and it is free.
Are the fairs seen as Jollies? Rhetorical question, as I understand why they go to them, But, that is a limited audience. Doesn’t matter if there are 120,000 people at the show, you are only going to engage with a very limited amount of people working a stand.
So, perhaps someone here can explain, why only one organisation contributes to this site. Where are all the others? I just had a look online, there are plenty of them.
If you run a business, then you target your audience. Perhaps it is a good idea that these organisations are not running a business because they do not appear to be very good at marketing and selling themselves.
Here is an example, the media require a story, motoring, they go talk to Geoff buys cars, schooling going to crap, Anna Boulter, shooting, Charlie Jacoby. This is not me making stuff up, these are all contacted by the media, because of their internet presence and you increase your presence by marketing. Ok, that is skimming the surface, but you get the gist. They get in the press and then are seen as experts, then the politicians, who also watch tv, know these people and suddenly, they are “An Expert”.
And here is a good example of how crap they (the pro hunting organisations) all are.
Type in “hunting organisations uk” and the first one that comes up is LACS. The third one is hundsabs. So that shows me, that all the other U.K. hunting orgs may not be very good. So maybe that is why they don’t come on here. Let’s face it, if they cannot get their online presence working, and for most of us under 60, the internet is the place we go, then, why would we want to engage with companies who seem to live in the dark ages.
So, plenty of people on here who are members of the other organisations, go back and ask them 2 questions.
1, why are they not engaging with hunters on forums.
2 why are they rubbish with their internet presence and letting anti hunting orgs top the search engines?
I am genuinely interested to see how they respond to this. The more I think about it, the more I think that these organisations are probably full of well meaning, intelligent people with a superb knowledge of what they do. But fxxx all clue about how to engage with large numbers of people and the internet and if they can’t do that, how are they going to be taken seriously by politicians.
Please feel free to respond back here with their answers.
Bet we don’t get 20 pages with this one.
Age gender background also experience will make for a vast difference in responses.
They could do more harm than good also spend more time looking things up and getting it checked
Norfolk Deer Search
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I honestly don’t know why you throw your hard earned money that you could spend on far more beneficial things than on shooting organisations, not one of them is worth trusting not one of them is worth putting your faith into, they’ve sailed you up the river and over the cliff regarding lead ammunition, not one of them turned around Dug their heels in put his tin hat on and prepared to repel boards over lead ammunition. They all rolled over my good little puppies to have their belly rubbed not one of them has a spine that fight for you not one.
You can blow smoke up the rear end of the representative from one of the big organisations on this forum if you should so wish to but really what’s he gonna do nothing it’s just lip surface he spouts what’s going on within the organisation trying to drum up a little more business for those less savvy Amongst us because anyone with the common sense wouldn’t be a member of any of them !
Here ends this mornings sermon
You can blow smoke up the rear end of the representative from one of the big organisations on this forum if you should so wish to but really what’s he gonna do nothing it’s just lip surface he spouts what’s going on within the organisation trying to drum up a little more business for those less savvy Amongst us because anyone with the common sense wouldn’t be a member of any of them !
Here ends this mornings sermon
Perhaps it would only lead to a painful reminder of the truth that is we need a single Organisation (voice) for all Hunting/Shooting/Fishing interests.
K
K
That hasn't worked out very well so far!
Norfolk Deer Search
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Fishing organisations are just as bad, they just take money from advert in the magazines exactly the same as the shooting organisations by people who want you to buy their crap you don’t need, just a big marketing ploy just like the shooting organisations nobody speaks cast iron common sense and truth. It is all smoke mirrors and BS.
The RIGHT one, and by popular consent.
Its quite possible the letters ABCS are nowhere to be found in the chosen Org's name!
K
Look at Kent Wildfowlers....more members with 34" 3.5" chambered auto's and a pointer than any one. Chilli Sauce on your chips
I hear your point Lee, and agree with most of what you are saying but.......... I believe that we should always endeavour to get it right and never give up. Nothing in life is perfect but we should always be striving to make it better.
I left the CA after being a member since the late 80's because their quarterly magazine was crammed full of wicker picnic baskets and Panama hats - yes there is a place for that but that's not what I want to see or read about. BASC are often heading in that direction. NGO seem to be more 'grass-roots' - more mud and blood on their hands.
There is a fight to be fought and there is some really hard work to be done - hard work and not hobnobbing is what I need to see more of.
timbrayford
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Don't want to go down the general bashing route but I think that Chris Graffius is somewhat more talented than his underling, I've had some very constructive conversations with him in the past!
Norfolk Deer Search
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ALL the shooting organisations can do one
as far as I am concerned, the final straw was having the decision over ammunition taken away from me, now as you all know I can and do use both makes no odds to me, but having the choice taken away with not even a sniff of a dogged scrap, the spineless can do one 
Rusty Gate
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Most likely as this isLet’s face it, as one of the largest U.K. hunting forums, surely if you were a pro hunting organisation looking to engage people, increase membership, lead the good fight, you would go to talk to the people where they are, i.e. here.
Why would I, for example, go join a gamekeepers organisation? I am not a gamekeeper. I mean, it’s in the title. I have seen their stands and not bothered talking to them because, I am not a gamekeeper, same as I walk past stands selling clay traps, because I don’t do clay shooting. (Again, it is an example, I am not singling them out)
Only one organisation contributes here, and that degenerates quickly. Please do not refer to that organisation, this is ALL about the other organisations that are out there.
So why don’t any of the others come on here and tell us what they are doing? Do they have enough members? They don’t want our money? I mean, a members magazine is to tell the members how good a job they are doing. You won’t get people to join by not telling non-members. Why would I want to join an organisation that doesn’t (seem to) actively promote itself?
Game fairs etc are ok, they can reach a couple of hundred people over a weekend when they talk one to one, but look at the expense of running the stand.
But if I put a post on here, it could be seen by thousands, and it is free.
Are the fairs seen as Jollies? Rhetorical question, as I understand why they go to them, But, that is a limited audience. Doesn’t matter if there are 120,000 people at the show, you are only going to engage with a very limited amount of people working a stand.
So, perhaps someone here can explain, why only one organisation contributes to this site. Where are all the others? I just had a look online, there are plenty of them.
If you run a business, then you target your audience. Perhaps it is a good idea that these organisations are not running a business because they do not appear to be very good at marketing and selling themselves.
Here is an example, the media require a story, motoring, they go talk to Geoff buys cars, schooling going to crap, Anna Boulter, shooting, Charlie Jacoby. This is not me making stuff up, these are all contacted by the media, because of their internet presence and you increase your presence by marketing. Ok, that is skimming the surface, but you get the gist. They get in the press and then are seen as experts, then the politicians, who also watch tv, know these people and suddenly, they are “An Expert”.
And here is a good example of how crap they (the pro hunting organisations) all are.
Type in “hunting organisations uk” and the first one that comes up is LACS. The third one is hundsabs. So that shows me, that all the other U.K. hunting orgs may not be very good. So maybe that is why they don’t come on here. Let’s face it, if they cannot get their online presence working, and for most of us under 60, the internet is the place we go, then, why would we want to engage with companies who seem to live in the dark ages.
So, plenty of people on here who are members of the other organisations, go back and ask them 2 questions.
1, why are they not engaging with hunters on forums.
2 why are they rubbish with their internet presence and letting anti hunting orgs top the search engines?
I am genuinely interested to see how they respond to this. The more I think about it, the more I think that these organisations are probably full of well meaning, intelligent people with a superb knowledge of what they do. But fxxx all clue about how to engage with large numbers of people and the internet and if they can’t do that, how are they going to be taken seriously by politicians.
Please feel free to respond back here with their answers.
Bet we don’t get 20 pages with this one.
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