Why do the Pro Hunting organisations not post on here?

[Tim.243]

Don't want to go down the general bashing route but I think that Chris Graffius is somewhat more talented than his underling, I've had some very constructive conversations with him in the past!

I had the opposite when I pointed out the BSAC banner spending money with the shooting showing **** up's to the point of being dangerous.
1 the chap went out with a pickaxe type handle to dispatch a chipped fox which was thrashing around after being chipped
2 a dsc1/2 badge wearing stalker loading a .243 @45deg muzzle up with the safety catch fwd rem 700 type rifle.
3 A basc staff member closing a loaded chamber on a hammer gun with a hammer back.
He washed all over them with what I was expecting to hear in the conversation lol

 

[timbrayford]

I had the opposite when I pointed out the BSAC banner spending money with the shooting showing **** up's to the point of being dangerous.
1 the chap went out with a pickaxe type handle to dispatch a chipped fox which was thrashing around after being chipped
2 a dsc1/2 badge wearing stalker loading a .243 @45deg muzzle up with the safety catch fwd rem 700 type rifle.
3 A basc staff member closing a loaded chamber on a hammer gun with a hammer back.
He washed all over them with what I was expecting to hear in the conversation lol

My conversations were centred around the Deer Initiative (when it was still going), Natural England, Forestry England and experimental long term deer free zones! In all fairness to Chris he was extremely helpful, as was Dorothy Ireland of Wessex branch BDS.

 

[nun_hunter]

Yes, there's a smidgen of bolshy folk on here. Not necessarily a bad thing, voicing your opinions of course. But it can be a bit off-putting, making folk not want to throw themselves into the snake pit.

And there's also a bit of insulation. And, let's face it, that's a problem with many who indulge in different field sports. It's all very well sticking up for what you indulge in, but to outwardly say you don't like game shooting, pigeon control, clay shooting and so on, begs the saying: "Together we stand, divided we fall".

I agree with what you're saying but it shouldn't stop other organisations from posting updates. They could either not reply or lock the thread after posting to get the message out but not turn it into a Facebook style argument.

My wife is a parish council clerk and regularly puts updates on Facebook but they have a policy of not responding there but only via email.

Without intending to be ageist is there a link between these organisations not engaging in social media very well at all and the age of those in charge or at least their understanding of technology and how people consume their news and information themselves days?

 

[VSS]

Without intending to be ageist is there a link between these organisations not engaging in social media very well at all and the age of those in charge or at least their understanding of technology and how people consume their news and information themselves days?

That could be interpreted both ways:
Why should an organisation waste it's time on here, trying to communicate with a bunch of bigoted post-mid-life-crisis blokes, when they can just as easily take their message into schools and colleges where it's really needed?

 

[tackb]

That could be interpreted both ways:
Why should an organisation waste it's time on here, trying to communicate with a bunch of bigoted post-mid-life-crisis blokes, when they can just as easily take their message into schools and colleges where it's really needed?

because without those who currently make up the bulk of the demographic there will be no future for the schools and colleges pupils in country sports

the question should really be 'why do shooters feel so let down by their organisations?'

 

[The Singing Stalker]

the question should really be 'why do shooters feel so let down by their organisations?'

But do they? There is a vocal minority here who shout lots, and that is what happens when some people feel that they have been let down,
But there are loads on here (the silent majority?) who, do not comment. Are they happy, unhappy, do not care?
And let’s face it, 99.9% is the same people hammering that which should not be named.
None of the other organisations get stick, or so little as to be almost unnoticeable. Which points me to the fact that, it does seem that there is personal vendettas against certain orgs, (which may or may not be justified) and so any other org, that wants the mantle “The voice of shooting”, could easily come in here and say, come to us guys, we are great…… but they don't. So is (probably) the largest forum in the U.K. unimportant?

 

[VSS]

because without those who currently make up the bulk of the demographic there will be no future for the schools and colleges pupils in country sports

the question should really be 'why do shooters feel so let down by their organisations?'

The current demographic are not the future.

 

[tackb]

But do they? There is a vocal minority here who shout lots, and that is what happens when some people feel that they have been let down,
But there are loads on here (the silent majority?) who, do not comment. Are they happy, unhappy, do not care?
And let’s face it, 99.9% is the same people hammering that which should not be named.
None of the other organisations get stick, or so little as to be almost unnoticeable. Which points me to the fact that, it does seem that there is personal vendettas against certain orgs, (which may or may not be justified) and so any other org, that wants the mantle “The voice of shooting”, could easily come in here and say, come to us guys, we are great…… but they don't. So is (probably) the largest forum in the U.K. unimportant?

but thats the problem , the silent majority as you call them are just that silent , personally i think they are of the type that is happy for the crocodile to eat them last!

if theres nothing to see here why are the silent majority drowning out the vocal minority , you could argue that they are silent because they agree and are happy to leave it to the people making the case?

whatever your thoughts i agree that it's surprising that organisations don't embrace social media , our enemies certainly do !

 

[tackb]

The current demographic are not the future.

maybe not but they are carrying the torch at the moment and if the torch goes out will it ever get re lit.....................

 

[timbrayford]

They could either not reply or lock the thread after posting to get the message out but not turn it into a Facebook style argument.

Surely organisations that fail to consult their membership or indeed the wider shooting community to obtain a consensus are at the root of social media arguments, or so it would appear?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

But do they? There is a vocal minority here who shout lots, and that is what happens when some people feel that they have been let down,
But there are loads on here (the silent majority?) who, do not comment. Are they happy, unhappy, do not care?
And let’s face it, 99.9% is the same people hammering that which should not be named.
None of the other organisations get stick, or so little as to be almost unnoticeable. Which points me to the fact that, it does seem that there is personal vendettas against certain orgs, (which may or may not be justified) and so any other org, that wants the mantle “The voice of shooting”, could easily come in here and say, come to us guys, we are great…… but they don't. So is (probably) the largest forum in the U.K. unimportant?

If I stuck my head above the pit and said if I get 5000 from the SD I will rejoin BASC and stand for the council, I’ll wager to you £100 right this minute 500 people wouldn’t vote. I’m about one of a handful that would stand up from the word go and stick the f@@ks in regardless of the consequences!

It’s quite simple that people just don’t care or want to care, obviously those who laughed at me over 10 years ago at the SD when I was paying £1.50 a bullet to load copper and they all took the proverbial and now boots on the other foot and you’re all experts in copper all of a sudden and really most have not shot one third of what I have

Plus you’ve had the decision now taken away from you because orgs didn’t have the brass neck to fight

 

[nun_hunter]

That could be interpreted both ways:
Why should an organisation waste it's time on here, trying to communicate with a bunch of bigoted post-mid-life-crisis blokes, when they can just as easily take their message into schools and colleges where it's really needed?

Very true. I suppose the hope should be that the older experienced people on here should be encouraged to be more involved with the next generation rather than see them as people to compete with for stalking/hunting opportunities.

I feel from a lot of posts on here that there are too many people stuck in their ways and can only see that how they learnt is the only way it should be done and if someone wants to start shooting the only right thing to do is to become a beater or volunteer your time for free to gain a nugget of wisdom from a mentor.

There is a lot less space and yet more people now so sharing what space and hunting opportunities is more important than it's ever been.

 

[Heym SR20]

Given the abuse that those organisations who do post on SD get I am not surprised others do not.

To be honest the organisations all have good direct means of communicating with their membership. They also regularly post on places such as Facebook where they will be viewed by a very much larger and wider demographic.

Frankly most on SD will already be pro deer stalking etc. Why waste valuable time and resources endlessly arguing points already agreed, when that same time and effort is much much better spent advocating the benefits of wildlife management to a much wider audience. As a BASC member I would the BASC ensuring that the wider general public has at least a neutral view on shooting, and that a majority view that shooting, stalking and conservation go hand in hand and that our biodiversity is already there thanks to the hard work of the shooting community.

I also would like the shooting organisations to actively foster new entrants into the sport, whether its the youngsters, or those much later in life looking for an alternative to golf.

 

[willie_gunn]

But do they? There is a vocal minority here who shout lots, and that is what happens when some people feel that they have been let down,
But there are loads on here (the silent majority?) who, do not comment. Are they happy, unhappy, do not care?
And let’s face it, 99.9% is the same people hammering that which should not be named.
None of the other organisations get stick, or so little as to be almost unnoticeable. Which points me to the fact that, it does seem that there is personal vendettas against certain orgs, (which may or may not be justified) and so any other org, that wants the mantle “The voice of shooting”, could easily come in here and say, come to us guys, we are great…… but they don't. So is (probably) the largest forum in the U.K. unimportant?

Mostly this ^

I sometimes think people assume that SD is representative of the stalking community in the UK.

Don't get me wrong - it is great that there are over 36,000 members here, but I wonder how many of those members are active (i.e. have posted in the last year, say) and, of those, how many are based out of the UK? For example, of the 6 people I stalk with I am the only one who regularly posts on SD. The others know about it, but either can't be bothered with it or just pop in occasionally. Of the broader community of stalkers I know, SD members count for a slack handful at most, and I know plenty of active stalkers who are ex-members or just check in, mostly to have a look. I am sure all of us who have been on SD for any time can come up with long lists of members who no longer post here.

If I broaden that out to the wider shooting community I know, I'd be surprised if anything more than perhaps 5% regularly engage on social media at all.

So we should not assume the threads here are particularly representative of opinions of those in the stalking world, let alone the broader shooting community.

By and large it is mostly the same people making a lot of noise and creating ripples, and they are doing so in what is really a pretty small pond.

 

[Dave_45]

Every time they put their head above the parapet they take incoming.


We are , our own worst enemy.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Every time they put their head above the parapet they take incoming.


We are , our own worst enemy.

I don’t see it that way I see if they are the voices for our industry, so to speak, then they should provide the answers regardless if it’s what they want to hear or not!

I have just said last night that I will pay BASC subs providing I get no BS answers to the questions that I have. I have no qualms about paying the money but I want guarantees I will get straight answers not bull****.

 

[Mike L]

Yawn

 

[JTO]

Perhaps it would only lead to a painful reminder of the truth that is we need a single Organisation (voice) for all Hunting/Shooting/Fishing interests.

K

Like The Angling Trust, who want people to pay a license to fish in the sea!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

That could be interpreted both ways:
Why should an organisation waste it's time on here, trying to communicate with a bunch of bigoted post-mid-life-crisis blokes, when they can just as easily take their message into schools and colleges where it's really needed?

I am not bigoted its all the others who are

 

[timbrayford]

Mostly this ^

I sometimes think people assume that SD is representative of the stalking community in the UK.

Don't get me wrong - it is great that there are over 36,000 members here, but I wonder how many of those members are active (i.e. have posted in the last year, say) and, of those, how many are based out of the UK? For example, of the 6 people I stalk with I am the only one who regularly posts on SD. The others know about it, but either can't be bothered with it or just pop in occasionally. Of the broader community of stalkers I know, SD members count for a slack handful at most, and I know plenty of active stalkers who are ex-members or just check in, mostly to have a look. I am sure all of us who have been on SD for any time can come up with long lists of members who no longer post here.

If I broaden that out to the wider shooting community I know, I'd be surprised if anything more than perhaps 5% regularly engage on social media at all.

So we should not assume the threads here are particularly representative of opinions of those in the stalking world, let alone the broader shooting community.

By and large it is mostly the same people making a lot of noise and creating ripples, and they are doing so in what is really a pretty small pond.

Representing both sides of any discussion nevertheless!