Insurance and legal cover
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oneforthepot
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Following with interest...
I'm also basc but have been considering ngo
I'm also basc but have been considering ngo
bottletopbill
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NGO after many years with BASC
AndyTheSilent
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I was in in a similar position recently and ended up opting for Country cover club (C3). I think the insurance is roughly similar between all of the organisations but C3 have a bit extra insurance around the legal bits including cover for having renewals denied
Stalker_AG
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Ripe shooting insurance
Stalker_AG
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I think I am right in saying the NGO insurance doesn't offer legal cover. It simply offers half an hour of free advice....
Ripe cover up to 100k of costs for most certificate related issues.
Ripe cover up to 100k of costs for most certificate related issues.
Conor O'Gorman
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@Kyte
If its concerns about firearms licensing now and into the future you might be best to continue to support BASC - I am not just saying that - I see what the firearms team does in supporting members across the UK and you won't get a better and more experienced team assisting you anywhere else.
Last year BASC’s full-time specialist firearms department handled 8,537 enquires and held more than 110 formal meetings with firearms licensing departments and PCCs.
BASC’s Fighting Fund is available to help individual members, in a similar way to the previous Legal Expenses Insurance. We feel this option is more pragmatic and cost effective.
Each case brought forwards is taken on its individual merits, however we are broadly looking for:
It’s important to note that our decision-making team reserve the right to stop further funding of a case at any point. Any costs incurred by the member will be covered until that point, but it is only right that if circumstances change, we are not spending members’ money on a case that no longer has the prospect of a successful outcome.
BASC staff also build key relationships with the police firearms departments across each region, ensuring we work proactively rather than just reacting to members’ problems. The benefits of the firearms officers being regionally-based (rather than based from our BASC HQ) means we can cultivate better relationships, react quickly and attend meetings more efficiently at a reduced cost.
Hope that helps and if you have any queries do message me or email me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk and I will try to help.
If its concerns about firearms licensing now and into the future you might be best to continue to support BASC - I am not just saying that - I see what the firearms team does in supporting members across the UK and you won't get a better and more experienced team assisting you anywhere else.
Last year BASC’s full-time specialist firearms department handled 8,537 enquires and held more than 110 formal meetings with firearms licensing departments and PCCs.
BASC’s Fighting Fund is available to help individual members, in a similar way to the previous Legal Expenses Insurance. We feel this option is more pragmatic and cost effective.
Each case brought forwards is taken on its individual merits, however we are broadly looking for:
- A case that has a likelihood of winning (the previous LEI did not fund cases unlikely to succeed)
- The member has been the victim of an injustice
- Does the case have wider implications? (while any judgment will be based on that specific case, if there is a point of principle, it can help set the correct tone for other firearms departments on future decision making)
It’s important to note that our decision-making team reserve the right to stop further funding of a case at any point. Any costs incurred by the member will be covered until that point, but it is only right that if circumstances change, we are not spending members’ money on a case that no longer has the prospect of a successful outcome.
BASC staff also build key relationships with the police firearms departments across each region, ensuring we work proactively rather than just reacting to members’ problems. The benefits of the firearms officers being regionally-based (rather than based from our BASC HQ) means we can cultivate better relationships, react quickly and attend meetings more efficiently at a reduced cost.
Hope that helps and if you have any queries do message me or email me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk and I will try to help.
Just been speaking with Rebecca at Country covers, will be starting my new insurance cover with them first day of October.
The Fieldsports Channel insurance is only up to £5M liability, and most stalking leases will require you to have £10M.
oneforthepot
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I will remain a member of BASC, because I do think it does good work. But it doesn't hurt to potentially also seek the most appropriate insurance cover an individual needs.
Currently I have BASC and "Side by Side" legal expenses.
Sounds like C3 might be a good option
Currently I have BASC and "Side by Side" legal expenses.
Sounds like C3 might be a good option
Unless it's to do with the implimentation of medical 'tick' forms introduction ?
First introduced by Police Scotland (thanks again Fazer [freedom] Lamb) and then slowly adopted by forces across the UK despite being against Home Office guidance and not opposed by BASC, other than by a light hearted "We don't agree with this and will help our members" rhetoric ?
You say BASC is "a more experienced team assisting you (than) anywhere else".
By 'assisting', you set up an external revenue stream called ShootCert, that "Helps Members and non-members" out of their money and helps them get a medical form completed that helps put funds into the BASC and the good doctors (and friends) lifestyle (that is just hearsay on my part and to be fair a wild guess) ??
A medical tick form that has what level of resposibility entrenched ?
Is the Dr stating/warranting that you/the applicant are 'safe and sound' enough to own a firearm or is it ShootCert itself that holds responsibility ?
BASC decided 'not' to legally challenge the implimentation of this medical tick form requirement, because (if my memory serves me correctly), 'they didn't think they would win'.
So the management and legal team sat down (2018/2019 ish), turned on the radio, opened a bottle of sherry and lit a cigar safe in the knowlege that their 'fighting fund' would still be available to 'fight another day'.
Firearms medical certificates with ShootCert
BASC works with ShootCert to provide a trusted, quality medical verification service for firearms grant and renewal applicants.
basc.org.uk
SHOOTCERT LTD overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK
SHOOTCERT LTD - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk
No I am not a BASC member.
Yes I was a BASC member but I left.
I was a member of SACS, but then Craig (Alex) Stoddart employed, Ex Head of Firearms for Police Scotland, Frazer (freedom) Lamb.
During my trawl through the blurb on Country covers stuff, I note they recorded / stated 75,000 insurance policies.
Conor O'Gorman
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Those assertions are not accurate nor relevant to the OP. Please read back over previous SD threads about medical verification going back a decade, many of which you have been very active in, and if you are still unsure about what transpired please PM me and happy to discuss. I have joined and left many organisations over the decades for various reasons and I would not dream of spending my time wading into forums complaining about them years after the fact, let alone making inaccurate assertions about them. Perhaps reflect on this and I am happy to discuss further by PM and/or phone.Unless it's to do with the implimentation of medical 'tick' forms introduction ?
First introduced by Police Scotland (thanks again Fazer [freedom] Lamb) and then slowly adopted by forces across the UK despite being against Home Office guidance and not opposed by BASC, other than by a light hearted "We don't agree with this and will help our members" rhetoric ?
You say BASC is "a more experienced team assisting you (than) anywhere else".
By 'assisting', you set up an external revenue stream called ShootCert, that "Helps Members and non-members" out of their money and helps them get a medical form completed that helps put funds into the BASC and the good doctors (and friends) lifestyle (that is just hearsay on my part and to be fair a wild guess) ??
A medical tick form that has what level of resposibility entrenched ?
Is the Dr stating/warranting that you/the applicant are 'safe and sound' enough to own a firearm or is it ShootCert itself that holds responsibility ?
BASC decided 'not' to legally challenge the implimentation of this medical tick form requirement, because (if my memory serves me correctly), 'they didn't think they would win'.
So the management and legal team sat down (2018/2019 ish), turned on the radio, opened a bottle of sherry and lit a cigar safe in the knowlege that their 'fighting fund' would still be available to 'fight another day'.
Firearms medical certificates with ShootCert
BASC works with ShootCert to provide a trusted, quality medical verification service for firearms grant and renewal applicants.SHOOTCERT LTD overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK
SHOOTCERT LTD - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
No I am not a BASC member.
Yes I was a BASC member but I left.
I was a member of SACS, but then Craig (Alex) Stoddart employed, Ex Head of Firearms for Police Scotland, Frazer (freedom) Lamb.
Back on topic, here is an example from May of BASC securing the return of a shotgun certificate for a member.
BASC's Fighting Fund forces police U-turn
Swift and decisive action, supported by BASC's Fighting Fund, secured the return of a shotgun certificate for one of the association's members.
basc.org.uk
Kyte
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Thanks for that, I have no concerns regarding myself , just perhaps future, possible scenarios and would be be good to know that swift legal backup was there , obviously based on merit of the case but assuming no fault, I’m staying with basc , and will maybe call the legal team some point or find time to write an email to yourself.
Cheers
Conor O'Gorman
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That's great to hear, and do get in touch with me, or the firearms team, as needs be, now and in the future. We are here to help.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’ve been with C3 since I left BASC never looked back
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