Miniature Rifle Ranges (MRR)

[Jefgingerbear]

I really cannot waste energy on concerning myself about some kind of bigger plan to stop us from shooting. What I can control is getting the paperwork done, applying for licenses and making sure I get as many people shooting and into shooting as possible… safely. I always try to set people the challenge of get one person into shooting every year if we all did it we would have a stronger voice year on year.

 

[M@tt]

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You've got to give it to the bastards they've got apparently unlimited public funds to waste and hoards and hoards of teams working on it full time just to supress all shooting sports in any way they can, and always with the same old chestnut in the interest of public safety (most of it utter tosh).

Like recording the lot numbers of ammunition and the desire by some forces to want fired cases kept for each firearm - none of it will help solve crime or improve public safety.
It is just another form of control.
First comes control and then comes prohibition.

 

[M@tt]

I really cannot waste energy on concerning myself about some kind of bigger plan to stop us from shooting. What I can control is getting the paperwork done, applying for licenses and making sure I get as many people shooting and into shooting as possible… safely. I always try to set people the challenge of get one person into shooting every year if we all did it we would have a stronger voice year on year.

This is why we started the business in the first place.

The more people we introduce to shooting the better. Even if they don't take it up they learn that it is a legitimate, and most of all a safe pastime and not something to be feared.

I think because many shooters and clubs tend to 'keep their heads down' that a lot of the non-shooting public don't realise the sport happens and their only experience of firearms is in the media when something goes wrong. So they are never going to be supporting us whom they don't think exist, and they'll accept a ban without any worries. Once they realise that it is a safe and safely run sport, they are more likely to support us even if they do not take it up.

I'll step off the soapbox now.

 

[M@tt]

All very confusing, MRR were for an operator to run a .22lr range that allowed others, non FAC holders, general public to shoot, like at schools even in years back pubs.

The concern was the operators could keep firearms and ammunition without going through all the FAC process we do.

And what was more worrying was the concern from other shooters who seemed to be concerned not for the public safety but that they had to jump through hoops but the MRR operators didn't. "Thrown under the bus" is the phrase that comes to mind, or perhaps "stabbed in the back", from shooters who seemed to be jealous of the easier process even though it is not a means to get firearms for use in the same way that club shooters use them.

Perhaps that view is backwards, the MRRs have operated for decades with no reported issues that I can find, so why can't the FAC holders have an easier process to go through to acquire the certificate?

ETA: Damn it, I got back on my soapbox

 

[castbullets.co.uk]

And what was more worrying was the concern from other shooters who seemed to be concerned not for the public safety but that they had to jump through hoops but the MRR operators didn't. "Thrown under the bus" is the phrase that comes to mind, or perhaps "stabbed in the back", from shooters who seemed to be jealous of the easier process even though it is not a means to get firearms for use in the same way that club shooters use them.

Perhaps that view is backwards, the MRRs have operated for decades with no reported issues that I can find, so why can't the FAC holders have an easier process to go through to acquire the certificate?

ETA: Damn it, I got back on my soapbox

MRRs came under the spotlight after the issues caused by the morons operating the "Full Metal Jacket" range nr Waltham Abbey. They were convicted of firearms offences after threatening someone in the street with a gun but their range was already in the spotlight because of the wholly unsafe manner in which it was operating.

Their instagram account shows the sort of operation it was: full metal jacket ranges ltd (@full_metal_jacket_ranges_ltd) • Instagram photos and videos

 

[M@tt]

MRRs came under the spotlight after the issues caused by the morons operating the "Full Metal Jacket" range nr Waltham Abbey. They were convicted of firearms offences after threatening someone in the street with a gun but their range was already in the spotlight because of the wholly unsafe manner in which it was operating.

Their instagram account shows the sort of operation it was: full metal jacket ranges ltd (@full_metal_jacket_ranges_ltd) • Instagram photos and videos

And they did nothing wrong regarding the s11.

Threatening someone with a gun is not a s11 offence, and it was no where near their range.

The running of their range was a h&s violation, not a s11 problem.

They didn't get in trouble for any s11 issue. But as usual the internet got fixated on the whole s11 thing and completely missed the offences/laws they actually broke.

 

[Jefgingerbear]

Okay, so a quick update for you. I’ve been told we can operate a MRR and in order to do so I will have the 11(4) condition added to my FAC. A separate FAC is not required… Massive thanks to BASC for the help on this one.

 

[M@tt]

Okay, so a quick update for you. I’ve been told we can operate a MRR and in order to do so I will have the 11(4) condition added to my FAC. A separate FAC is not required… Massive thanks to BASC for the help on this one.

Are you getting all the s11 firearms added as well, and an increase in ammo holding?

 

[Jefgingerbear]

Are you getting all the s11 firearms added as well, and an increase in ammo holding?

We didn’t have any firearms or ammunition previously. People were using their own. More simply we will be acquiring a firearm for Club use

 

[Liveonce]

We didn’t have any firearms or ammunition previously. People were using their own. More simply we will be acquiring a firearm for Club use

why not apply for home office club approval and get a free FAC.

 

[8x57]

why not apply for home office club approval and get a free FAC.

Approved clubs still get a "free" FAC but they introduced a fee for club approval some years ago along with a periodic renewal fee.
I've forgotten how long the approval is valid for.

 

[M@tt]

why not apply for home office club approval and get a free FAC.

Clubs are restricted to 12 open days per year, MRRs can offer walk-ons if they want and every day.

 

[Liveonce]

Clubs are restricted to 12 open days per year, MRRs can offer walk-ons if they want and every day.

indeed horses for course, MRR limits the club to .22lr only obviously depends on what the Club wants.

 

[Jefgingerbear]

why not apply for home office club approval and get a free FAC.

Club politics

 

[bowji john]

MRRs have nothing to do with clubs

Try not to confuse them

I’ve had another response from (yet another) FEO handed my file

They are now going to ask other authorities what they do

They will be in touch ‘in the coming weeks’’

Despite having taken 4 months and counting

I don’t think this is malicious

They are just totally out of their depth

And clearly never run a business

 

[M@tt]

indeed horses for course, MRR limits the club to .22lr only obviously depends on what the Club wants.

No. The club fac can have any firearm per their approval. If it has an MRR condition they can also run 22lr only as a MRR.

As we run an MRR as a commercial enterprise a club FAC is not the correct one. It has to be a condition on my personal FAC.

 

[Jefgingerbear]

Has anybody as of yet had the 11 (4) condition added to your FAC? If so, can you tell me what it looks like or what it says with regard to the conditions?

 

[bowji john]

Has anybody as of yet had the 11 (4) condition added to your FAC? If so, can you tell me what it looks like or what it says with regard to the conditions?

I believe it looks like a white horse with wings and a long single horn

Sorry

Not helpful I know

J

 

[Jefgingerbear]

I believe it looks like a white horse with wings and a long single horn

Sorry

Not helpful I know

J

I have had my FAC returned but I believe it could be wrong. Waiting on BASC to give me a call for advice.

 

[bowji john]

It should at least say

The following rifles may be used under section 11.4 @ such and such range

That would acknowledge the existence of the range and your rifles conditioned for it

Perhaps it aught to also identify you as the range owner

But what do I know

J