Held ammunition quantities.

[Leec6.5]

I can’t honestly see the point in holding that much, you lot have more money than sense, for the last 10 years I’ve only been able to hold 100 rounds.

But I do reloading batches of 50 so I’ve always got 50 loaded in stock, but I will say I don’t punch paper, I don’t target shoot and I have the freedom to go stalking when ever I want to.

Component wise that’s a different matter

 

[User00056]

Will leave the 22 RF as is at 500 as can purchase and store at the range.

I'd be inclined to up that to 600? Reason being you'll be able to buy a fresh brick while still having a couple of boxes spare

 

[Trickyd66]

I'd be inclined to up that to 600? Reason being you'll be able to buy a fresh brick while still having a couple of boxes spare

Thanks, already done some fag packet maths. Due to the range of shooting I do
...
100 segmented quiet (vermin)
200 subsonic hp (vermin)
100 standard velocity hp (vermin)
100 wmr varmint (vermin)
100 wmr solid (target)
400 standard velocity target only LR

That's going by the mix of what I have to spread across my current 500 limit.

I've been known to pull an odd round and knock the primer to allow me to buy another 50 as I know I will be near a RFD and don't want to go over may limit.

 

[Leec6.5]

Thanks, already done some fag packet maths. Due to the range of shooting I do
...
100 segmented quiet (vermin)
200 subsonic hp (vermin)
100 standard velocity hp (vermin)
100 wmr varmint (vermin)
100 wmr solid (target)
400 standard velocity target only LR

That's going by the mix of what I have to spread across my current 500 limit.

I've been known to pull an odd round and knock the primer to allow me to buy another 50 as I know I will be near a RFD and don't want to go over may limit.

Why not get a 222 that will solve all you vermin problems and save you a fortune on ammo you really don’t need.

 

[Trickyd66]

Why not get a 222 that will solve all you vermin problems and save you a fortune on ammo you really don’t need.

Thanks, that's the main point of the variation but trying to kill as many birds as 1 can with my 1 £47 stone

At the moment my RF are open conditions, CF closed. Getting into reloading, and cost wise the 222 will be about the same to feed as the WMR, but don't think will replace the LR. Could I get a 222 down to subsonic?

 

[TringSaint]

When I had a number of rifles it was 200 acquire/300 possess except for my .303 rifles (SMLE and No4) where it was 600. I think now that the FAC only states the maximum allowed to be held? When the Tory putting of expanding bullets under FAC requirement existed I had all amounts increased. Fortunately that nonsense has now been repealed.

Yup. No buy/hold difference, just one number for each calibre.

 

[Heym SR20]

Look at the Home office guidelines. If you need more then have a good reasoned argument to ask first more.

 

[M@tt]

I look at it this way: I ask for what I shoot in a year/season. This allows for batches of enough ammo to zero, complete a whole league and other matches/comps, practice and hunting without having to change batches.

So far the FLD has been very cooperative in this matter and accommodated my needs.

 

[User00056]

Thanks, already done some fag packet maths. Due to the range of shooting I do
...
100 segmented quiet (vermin)
200 subsonic hp (vermin)
100 standard velocity hp (vermin)
100 wmr varmint (vermin)
100 wmr solid (target)
400 standard velocity target only LR

That's going by the mix of what I have to spread across my current 500 limit.

I've been known to pull an odd round and knock the primer to allow me to buy another 50 as I know I will be near a RFD and don't want to go over may limit.

I'd ask for 4000 in that case? You can justify it by saying you need consistency, and that'll let you buy bricks from the same batch for your different rounds

 

[enfieldspares]

I'd ask for 4000 in that case? You can justify it by saying you need consistency, and that'll let you buy bricks from the same batch for your different rounds

AFAIR that argument, needing to have a lot of the same batch number, was discounted as not sufficient reason in a past (or maybe even current) Memorandum of Guidance. I will have a look online.

 

[User00056]

AFAIR that argument, needing to have a lot of the same batch number, was discounted as not sufficient reason

Ah ok, thanks for correcting me

 

[Trickyd66]

I'd ask for 4000 in that case? You can justify it by saying you need consistency, and that'll let you buy bricks from the same batch for your different rounds

I can't afford that much!
Just need what I need to not be running to the RFD to collect a box of 50 every time I'm getting low.

 

[User00056]

I can't afford that much!
Just need what I need to not be running to the RFD to collect a box of 50 every time I'm getting low.

I hadn't thought of that

 

[weblyish]

Look at the Home office guidelines. If you need more then have a good reasoned argument to ask first more.

Which guidelines are these.

I've looked through the general guidance to chief police officers

Here
It covers most of the stuff But there is nothing about ammo quantities

(Nor anything about open /closed tickets but that's another story)

 

[enfieldspares]

AFAIR that argument, needing to have a lot of the same batch number, was discounted as not sufficient reason in a past (or maybe even current) Memorandum of Guidance. I will have a look online.

Right. There is some confusion in this and some confusion in what the 2022 Guidance says. So I will post it verbatim. Buying a "batch" of one lot for reasons of assured accuracy seems acceptable. That's OK. Insofar as with regards to .22 Rimfire rifles possessed for target shooting.

However.

Buying "bulk buying" a batch of that same one lot for "reasons of economy" seemingly isn't. As the "Gumbies" used to say..."my brain hurts...". It's like bringing back cigarettes from abroad for the regular minicab driver that collects you from the airport. You can give them as a "gift" but you can't give them in lieu of the usual fare as that's classed as payment in kind.

Chapter 10: Firearm CertificateProcedure

12.54 Chief officers of police should also consider the “good reason” for possession of ammunition quantities for target shooting. Allocations of 1,000 rounds, to possess,purchase or acquire, are not unreasonable for most regular shooters. A serious target shooter (for example in a county or national squad) may reasonably wish to possess up to 6,000 rounds to ensure consistency in performance between batches. In exceptional circumstances greater amounts may be required. These figures should be used as guides only and should not be interpreted as absolute limits. This is normally applicable to .22RF rather than full-bore target shooting. Economy of purchase (‘bulk buying’) is not considered satisfactory as “good reason”.

 

[Trickyd66]

Which guidelines are these.

I've looked through the general guidance to chief police officers

Here
It covers most of the stuff But there is nothing about ammo quantities

(Nor anything about open /closed tickets but that's another story)

Don't get me started on that!
Safe enough to have open on rimfire (lr, wmr, and hmr) Firearms awaress course & DSC1, but closed on CF with requirement to log outings with CF to get open (or possibly £160 for a 1 day "land assessment " course at a local range) .... no thanks, its expensive as it is!

 

[hendrix's rifle]

That's what I was planning, but need to work out the justification to them.
eg. 100 x .22 factory for while I work up loads. 5 x rounds of each .22 x 0.1 grain Increments to max load adds up to a lot of rounds (haven't yet done the full maths!)
That's without adding different bullet/head weights types into the mix

Bullets, not heads. You were so close!

Secondly, 0.1g to me seems a colossal waste of time and consumables. 0.3g is a much better number, still gives the desired effect and thirds how many rounds you waste

200 of each will see you fine, I doubt you'd have any issues whatsoever with that. Stick 500 on your 22rf though

 

[Trickyd66]

Bullets, not heads. You were so close!

Secondly, 0.1g to me seems a colossal waste of time and consumables. 0.3g is a much better number, still gives the desired effect and thirds how many rounds you waste

200 of each will see you fine, I doubt you'd have any issues whatsoever with that. Stick 500 on your 22rf though

I'm in the bullet camp, but trying to avoid the grief of those who refer to the lead or copper spinny bit as heads... perhaps we should just call them "heavy spinny bits " ?

 

[25 Sharps]

Thanks, already done some fag packet maths. Due to the range of shooting I do
...
100 segmented quiet (vermin)
200 subsonic hp (vermin)
100 standard velocity hp (vermin)
100 wmr varmint (vermin)
100 wmr solid (target)
400 standard velocity target only LR

That's going by the mix of what I have to spread across my current 500 limit.

I've been known to pull an odd round and knock the primer to allow me to buy another 50 as I know I will be near a RFD and don't want to go over may limit.

Are you a member of a target club?

 

[25 Sharps]

Which guidelines are these.

I've looked through the general guidance to chief police officers

Here
It covers most of the stuff But there is nothing about ammo quantities

(Nor anything about open /closed tickets but that's another story)

These guidelines

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6bfe8d723ba6f74dba8ce/Firearms_Guide_-_November_2022_final_.pdf

Suggested ammunition limits are generally under the section for good reason, so the section on fox for example states 250 rounds.