Franz-Albrecht Oettinger converted to HikMicro Habrok religion?

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tackb said:
i watched the video last night , he's a lucky guy and clearly a sportsman , i was going to moan about his absolutely lovely 4 barrelled masterpiece not being an ejector only to find out that you can switch the ejection on and off !
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I saw that!, lovely piece.
 
Mike1979 said:
If everyone around you applies the same principle then agreed....but that's rarely the case.
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My fallow bit, 100 acres, the boss doesn’t want the big bucks shot.

That what I do I manage, I see a buck but see a better or bigger buck I leave the better of the 2, might cross the ditch and get shot, what happens then is out of your hands!

Follow the rules of engagement and you can’t go wrong.

I’m very lucky I can shoot what I like as long as the big boys are left alone, does and prickets will do me I’ve shot the big old buck and left a bigger younger animal in his place- job jobbed
 
Norfolk Deer Search said:
My fallow bit, 100 acres, the boss doesn’t want the bucks shot.

That what I do I manage, I see a buck but see a better or bigger buck I leave the better of the 2, might cross the ditch and get shot, what happens then is out of your hands!

Follow the rules of engagement and you can’t go wrong.

I’m very lucky I can shoot what I like as long as the big boys are left alone, does and prickets will do me I’ve shot the big old buck and left a bigger younger animal in his place- job jobbed
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Spot on 👍 As is often mentioned on here its a case of keeping the land owner happy...the few patches I have (and very limited compared to a lot) just want animals shot and ultimately I oblige...I'm trying to get the does shot at the mo but it only seems to be bucks or prickets I come across ... or present a safe shot so they cop it. Sunday morning saw a group of 9...8 went across the boundary and the buck went the wrong way and stopped obligingly so what could I do :)
 
Mike1979 said:
Not sure living somewhere with no hills is considered lucky but it helps confirm the earth is indeed flat :lol: :lol:

In the context of "management" then great to be in the position that you are in but alas with small pockets of ground, different goals etc etc then this approach is a rarity. I would love a huge swathe of ground where I could manage the deer but I have lots of pockets of ground and a lot of the farmers want the buggers on the deck...so I try and oblige.

Would more then happily change my approach if someone would like to gift me 20,000 acres or so with an abundance of deer that I can let get to a ripe old age :lol:👍
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In Germany there is a much centralised approach to countryside management. In each district / county is the Forst, run by the Forstmeister. This is a government agency that is a mix between Forestry Commission, ministry of agriculture, environment agency and rural police. The Forstmeister is a well educated, trained and experienced individual who knows his patch very well and is supported by staff who are equally competent.

The Forst issues things like felling licenses, makes sure ditches are kept clear, sewerage does not get intio rivers etc.

The rights to hunt belong with the state, not with the landowner, and the hunting rights are granted to groups of hunters - often the landowners, but not always on a multi year (I think 11) basis.

In Germany they have a different view on protected species. All are protected, but the Forst has the ability to set quotas of different species and age classes of each species that can be hunted. If there are problem animals - lets say an eagle or beaver that may be included on a particular quota.

Hunters are responsible for ensuring that quota is kept to. All trophies have to be kept so that the Forst can assess at the end of each season.

The quota is based on an ongoing census of each species that has been built up over time. And this really takes into account the overall populations in each region.

If you have a hunting area and you do not manage it properly then it gets taken away.

The Forst also manages the conflict between farmers and wild animals. And if crops are suffering damage then the hunters will have to pay compensation. It’s fir this reason that during the growing season, spring and summer hunters are put in high seats in the fields encouraging the beasts to remain in the woods.

Each block of Woodland is only hunted once or twice during the winter. These are the driven hunts. 20 to 30 guns are put out on stands over a few hundred ha. Mostly these will be hunters who have the hunting area, plus their friends and neighbours. You are given strict instructions on what can and cannot be shot, abd if you shoot something off quota fees are expensive - as in a few thousand Euros.

The driven hunt will account fir 50 to 60% of the annual cull. The local game dealer / butcher / veterinary inspector will usually attend. Mostly these animals are not gralloched where they are shot but a recovered back to central larder where they are gralloched, inspected etc all in one go. Bear in mind its mostly below zero so the game doesn’t spoil.

Hunts will start at first light, end late morning and then retrieval process starts with the vast majority of game shot back at the larder within a couple of hours. Tracking dog teaks are on hand to follow up anything, and they go out again first light following day.

On hunts I have been on, you have to record each shot you fire at an animal on a range card, and out flags in the wood where each animal was that you fired at. So you have fired five shots at five different boar then five boar need to be accounted for.

Following weeks you get reciprocal invitations to all your friends and neighbours driven hunts.

Some hunts are like a typical farmers shoot - quite informal, whilst others are lot more formal.

There also plenty of hunts run by the state or the Forst. I have been on a couple in around the forests in Hagn. These are very much public woods on the edge of the city. They are closed for about three days fir the hunt. As hunter with a hunting licence you can apply for a stand and the cost is about €50 (or was in 2019 when I last went). Very odd to be on stand with suburban gardens on one side waiting for wild boar on the other side in the woods. Locals seem happy enough to- indeed provide hot coffee and snacks. And local TV reports on the hunt, why it is being done, what the bag was and where you can buy the meat.
 
and the hunting rights are granted to groups of hunters - often the landowners, but not always on a multi year (I think 11) basis.
We have either 9 or 12 year leases here in Bavaria.
 
Heym SR20 said:
The rights to hunt belong with the state, not with the landowner
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I thought the basis of German post-1848/9 hunting law was that ownership of the right to hunt was pretty much inseparable from ownership of the land.

Could it be that the right to hunt in state forestry belongs to the state because the state owns the land on which it manages the forestry?
 
Dalua said:
I thought the basis of German post-1848/9 hunting law was that ownership of the right to hunt was pretty much inseparable from ownership of the land.

Could it be that the right to hunt in state forestry belongs to the state because the state owns the land on which it manages the forestry?
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Yes.
Landowners though have to be members of the local Jagdgenossenschaft
A hunting association (Jagdgenossenschaft) is an organization of landowners belonging to a communal hunting district and is a public corporation in which members are compulsorily organized. It manages hunting rights, decides on leases, and uses lease income to prevent damage caused by wildlife and to promote wildlife management. Decisions are made at members' meetings by a double majority (a majority of members and a majority of the land area).
 
Dalua said:
I thought the basis of German post-1848/9 hunting law was that ownership of the right to hunt was pretty much inseparable from ownership of the land.

Could it be that the right to hunt in state forestry belongs to the state because the state owns the land on which it manages the forestry?
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You may be correct, but there was an awful lot of land reform in Germany but a leader in the 20th century who took a lot of land away from large numbers on land owners who did agree with his direction of travel.

Also in Germany individual states and even a local town / city level are very independent and have their own laws and ways of doing things. So for example, when I was last there, electronic sights and moderators were legal in some places and not others.
 
Digital and thermal scopes are still forbidden in all of Germany but they seem to be slowly coming around to be like most of Europe.
 
Heym SR20 said:
You may be correct, but there was an awful lot of land reform in Germany but a leader in the 20th century who took a lot of land away from large numbers on land owners who did agree with his direction of travel.

Also in Germany individual states and even a local town / city level are very independent and have their own laws and ways of doing things. So for example, when I was last there, electronic sights and moderators were legal in some places and not others.
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Fundamentally, the owner (however that ownership might have come about) of land is the owner of the hunting rights on that land. The two are not, as far as I'm aware, separable. As BavarianBrit points out, these rights are then handled by public corporations of which the landowner/s making up the hunting-areas covered are members - so in that sense it is true that a both other than an individual landowner is running things; though in fact the individual landowners are a voting part of these corporations.
If you're a landowner with 75Ha or more, you don't need to have your hunting rights incorporated in this way - or so I seem to remember: it's some time since I did the exams on this.

You're right, of course, that non-federal laws can vary quite markedly between states.
 
Dalua said:
Fundamentally, the owner (however that ownership might have come about) of land is the owner of the hunting rights on that land. The two are not, as far as I'm aware, separable. As BavarianBrit points out, these rights are then handled by public corporations of which the landowner/s making up the hunting-areas covered are members - so in that sense it is true that a both other than an individual landowner is running things; though in fact the individual landowners are a voting part of these corporations.
If you're a landowner with 75Ha or more, you don't need to have your hunting rights incorporated in this way - or so I seem to remember: it's some time since I did the exams on this.

You're right, of course, that non-federal laws can vary quite markedly between states.
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My course they told me it was 81 Ha to be regarded an Eigen Jagd.
 
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