Wanted: High End SxS

bulric

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Just as an update, I've widened my search to any highish end sxs (I'm thinking AyA #1, Grulla, Dickson etc.). I'm afraid I certainly don't have the budget for a London Best! I'd also welcome any advice on the matter.

Some rough requirements below:

12g

15" (ish) stock, no, or limited cast

2 3/4 chambers, but would consider 2 1/2

Sidelock ejector preferred, but not a snob to high quality boxlocks

Profuse engraving, but not essential.

Perhaps I'm unicorning, but worth asking.
 
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I do have one in 12G 2.5" damascus nitro proofed. I bought it 25 years ago off a Solicitor that had used it for duck on the Ganges river. I hit well on pigeon with it.
I was provided with the history by a UK chap on the Double Gun site.
Here is the original sales docket.
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Details about Mr Henry C. Stone
Original purchaser of the Edwinson & Green 12 bore shotgun, serial no. 5014
His address when he ordered the shotgun is given as ‘Sunnyside’, Weston Park, BATH, England. The date was April 16th 1892. From the census the preceding year we can see that he was living there with his wife, two servants and a niece. He is listed as a solicitor (lawyer), aged 35. The Weston Park area is just to the west of the centre of Bath and these houses would have been newly built. Aerial photographs show a substantial detached property.
Ten years earlier he is listed as living on the Royal Crescent (half a mile from Weston Park) with his widowed father John Stone, also a solicitor, a sister and three servants.
Further research shows that he was baptised on 25th October 1855 in Bath. At the age of 18 he became an articled clerk (trainee solicitor) with the company of Francis, Thornley and King of Bath for a period of five years. By 1884 he is working in Queens Square Bath with the legal practice Stone, King, King, Stone & Watts, presumably his father’s company.
Henry married Elizabeth Hannah Newbould on 25th June 1884 in the parish of Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire, which is two miles from the centre of Cheltenham but 35 miles from Bath. Perhaps this is a clue why he chose to patronise a Cheltenham gun maker rather than ones in Bath.
She was aged just 20. His father is shown as being the Town Clerk of Bath, whilst her father is shown as a Gentleman.
Another entry shows that Elizabeth Hannah Stone was buried on June 2nd 1885 in the same coffin as their infant daughter Lily Newbould Stone, aged five days.
On 8th May 1889 he married Gwladys Emma Millicent Vachell, born in Glamorgan, Wales in 1868. This marriage was celebrated in London at St George’s, Hanover Square, and his address then was given as 14 Stratton Street, London, just off Piccadilly and barely half a mile south.
Henry Stone died on 13th March 1926 aged 71 at 9 Brock Street, Bath. His will was valued at £35,544, or close to £1, 800,000 in today’s money. Probate was awarded to Reginald Cyril Stone, retired Major in the British Army.
 
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A thing of beauty…
And finding one of the right type (made in Chelt/Glos, not Brum), condition and price is proving to be difficult!
I do have one in 12G 2.5" damascus nitro proofed. I bought it 25 years ago off a Solicitor that had used it for duck on the Ganges river. I hit well on pigeon with it.
I was provided with the history by a UK chap on the Double Gun site.
Here is the original sales docket.
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Very interesting, it must have been one of the last Damascus barreled guns he did?
 
Of no help to you whatsoever, but years ago, I visited Cary's gun shop in Ledbury (a gem of a place) and was shown an Edwinson Grenn triple-barreled 12 bore of which Mr Cary was extremely proud. Sadly, I think both he and the shop are no longer with us.
 
Of no help to you whatsoever, but years ago, I visited Cary's gun shop in Ledbury (a gem of a place) and was shown an Edwinson Grenn triple-barreled 12 bore of which Mr Cary was extremely proud. Sadly, I think both he and the shop are no longer with us.

A triple barreled Edwinson Green was in the most recent Holts auction
 
Hi, I have one. 12G side lock ejector It’s not gathering dust but don’t use it as much as I would like to might be persuaded to part with it.
I’m based in West Midlands where are you?
 
Of no help to you whatsoever, but years ago, I visited Cary's gun shop in Ledbury (a gem of a place) and was shown an Edwinson Grenn triple-barreled 12 bore of which Mr Cary was extremely proud. Sadly, I think both he and the shop are no longer with us.
Yes, he shut over a year a go now. I went there (unbeknownst) a few weeks before he closed, if only I had known more about sxs's back then!
Hi, I have one. 12G side lock ejector It’s not gathering dust but don’t use it as much as I would like to might be persuaded to part with it.
I’m based in West Midlands where are you?
Sounds promising, I'll give you a PM.
 
The Edwinson Green records (such as survived- they appear to have been primarily an Order book for the Cheltenham shop) end in 1947 with a batch of A&D boxlock guns numbers 7082 to 7091. 7082 is a 16 bore, the rest are 12 bores some ejectors and variously made by Holloways, Perks and Brown (presumably A A Brown).
That is generally held to mark the end of Edwinson Green’s gunmaking although they undoubtedly dealt with repairs and retailing other makes of guns until the 1970’s.
I was therefore highly intrigued to see number 7692 on sale. It is an attractive 20 bore 2 1/2 inch Boxlock ejector, and the original Birmingham proof marks date it to 1957.
I believe that we can discount Green having made 600 other guns in the 10 years from 1947. It had taken them just over 40 years from 1906 to produce 600 guns in their own numbering (plus some more for London Sporting Park and some other makers). Guns between 6491 and 7091 have been evident in the market and I even own a couple.
I suspected that 7692 might be the very next gun after 7091, but on looking at my photocopy of the records there is cryptic note (it seems to be handwritten on a scrap of paper stuck into the ledger) “Edwinson Green O & U 7691”

Did Dudley Green, the grandson who owned the business in 1957 decide on a 600 gun jump to mark a fresh start?
 
I’ve seen one on Maxogun a 20 bore SxS with extra 16 bore barrels, expensive but maybe worth a look.
Yes, there's two on there and they're both very heavy on the pencil in my opinion; in the current market and looking at historic EG sales (which are admittedly a bit all over the place).
The Edwinson Green records (such as survived- they appear to have been primarily an Order book for the Cheltenham shop) end in 1947 with a batch of A&D boxlock guns numbers 7082 to 7091. 7082 is a 16 bore, the rest are 12 bores some ejectors and variously made by Holloways, Perks and Brown (presumably A A Brown).
That is generally held to mark the end of Edwinson Green’s gunmaking although they undoubtedly dealt with repairs and retailing other makes of guns until the 1970’s.
I was therefore highly intrigued to see number 7692 on sale. It is an attractive 20 bore 2 1/2 inch Boxlock ejector, and the original Birmingham proof marks date it to 1957.
I believe that we can discount Green having made 600 other guns in the 10 years from 1947. It had taken them just over 40 years from 1906 to produce 600 guns in their own numbering (plus some more for London Sporting Park and some other makers). Guns between 6491 and 7091 have been evident in the market and I even own a couple.
I suspected that 7692 might be the very next gun after 7091, but on looking at my photocopy of the records there is cryptic note (it seems to be handwritten on a scrap of paper stuck into the ledger) “Edwinson Green O & U 7691”

Did Dudley Green, the grandson who owned the business in 1957 decide on a 600 gun jump to mark a fresh start?
It is interesting, we could probably certainly say that Dudley wouldn't have made them in Cheltenham though, so they'd have been Birmingham specials?

Hi, I have one. 12G side lock ejector It’s not gathering dust but don’t use it as much as I would like to might be persuaded to part with it.
I’m based in West Midlands where are you?

I have sent you a message (I'm not sure if you've seen it, sorry), but north Gloucestershire, so won't be a world away.
 

This is owned by a friend of mine - selling through Edinburgh Rifles.

Yes, sleeved, but then means you can trust the barrels I guess?
I had a good look at this. It is a truly beautiful gun. It is sleeved, but the joint is welded rather than the older method of soldering, and then it has superbly struck off. There is no way of telling it has been sleeved other than from the proof marks.

This is a gun with effectively new barrels that will doing good service in another 100 years. If you wanted a similar gun made today you wouldn’t get any change out of £100,000.
 

This is owned by a friend of mine - selling through Edinburgh Rifles.

Yes, sleeved, but then means you can trust the barrels I guess?

A lovely thing (a round action would be a dream), but with a 14 1/4" stock it would be flapping about on my shoulder!
 
A lovely thing (a round action would be a dream), but with a 14 1/4" stock it would be flapping about on my shoulder!

I'm sure tasteful extensions can be done 😅

Honestly though, I had this chat with another good friend of mine (who coincidentally recently bought a pair of Edwinson Greens). Both are still with their original stocks and still about a ½-¾ of an inch too short for either of us. Both of us aren't exactly tall either at about 5'7".

A naturally long stocked old side by side seems to be a very, very rare beastie. And anyone wanting something even close to 15"+ would probably be looking at guns that have already been extended or getting them extended themselves...
 
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