seriously fancy a Cosmi, obviously a used one.
how does the law work with having it made 1+2 so i can have it on an SGC in the uk?
how does the law work with having it made 1+2 so i can have it on an SGC in the uk?
shotgun capacity ?
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Only speaking from experience of the hungerford kneejerk reaction, mag tubes were crimped then sent to proof house to get a certificate of compliance/completion. Would it not be easier to apply for a sect 1 shotgun?
Edit, just looked up the gun, my opinion, but what a pointless design
Edit, just looked up the gun, my opinion, but what a pointless design
I'm fairly sure it's not legal to use S1 for game/wildfowl, if that's what the OP was hoping to do.
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However times have changed & here in Scotland with resident greylag & Canada geese now having no closed season for protection of agriculture under general license 02/2026 & are most definitely now a ‘pest’ species. Would be interesting to hear an FEO’s view on this revised basis?
Not really of any relevance to the OP’s original question but an interesting point nonetheless?
it’s an interesting question? I believe that you are correct in that S1 is generally prohibited for game/wildfowl & that they are generally only sanctioned for use in pest control where good reason is demonstrated.
However times have changed & here in Scotland with resident greylag & Canada geese now having no closed season for protection of agriculture under general license 02/2026 & are most definitely now a ‘pest’ species. Would be interesting to hear an FEO’s view on this revised basis?
Not really of any relevance to the OP’s original question but an interesting point nonetheless?
enfieldspares
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I think that it is an interesting design, yes, and FWIW the law in the UK is that if the gun is made as a 1+2 and the magazine is non-detachable then IT WILL NOT NEED a magazine restriction certificate as from the "get go" it is s2.
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This is proved by the fact that the old Webley .410" Sportsman and the Norinco similar both do not need such magazine restriction certificates and are s2.
Ditto the Browning "Twelvette" aka Browning Two Shot. So if it were possible to do such a made as 1+2 Cosmi that could not be easily converted to increase its magazine capacity would be s2 IMHO. Indeed given European law on multi-shot guns on live quarry I would not be surprised to see a 1+2 Cosmi from the maker.
Look on You Tube there is a Johnny Carter video and from others - here the Florent son - on a similar Beretta but with the second cartrdge exposed iteration of a break open self-loading shotgun.
I can see a feature that is...as with the Beretta...the unique selling point. That the thing has no need for a breech flag. But the other side of that coin is that in a hide it loses all the advantages of a self-loading gun that it can be loaded WITHOUT breaking it open and so stay pointed upwards. Indeed it then merely has all the disadvantages and in spades of a break open gun in a hide.
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This is proved by the fact that the old Webley .410" Sportsman and the Norinco similar both do not need such magazine restriction certificates and are s2.
Ditto the Browning "Twelvette" aka Browning Two Shot. So if it were possible to do such a made as 1+2 Cosmi that could not be easily converted to increase its magazine capacity would be s2 IMHO. Indeed given European law on multi-shot guns on live quarry I would not be surprised to see a 1+2 Cosmi from the maker.
Look on You Tube there is a Johnny Carter video and from others - here the Florent son - on a similar Beretta but with the second cartrdge exposed iteration of a break open self-loading shotgun.
I can see a feature that is...as with the Beretta...the unique selling point. That the thing has no need for a breech flag. But the other side of that coin is that in a hide it loses all the advantages of a self-loading gun that it can be loaded WITHOUT breaking it open and so stay pointed upwards. Indeed it then merely has all the disadvantages and in spades of a break open gun in a hide.
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Heym SR20
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The law defines a “shotgun” as having a smooth bored barrel of a minimum length of 24” and if a repeater, fed by a fixed and permanent magazine holding a maximum of 2 cartridges. This is defined in S2 of the firearms act.
If a gun doesn’t fit the the above definition then it is a firearm under S1.
Most Semi and pumps in the UK have the magazine tube crimped so they are incapable of taking more than two cartridges and hence are classed as shotguns. I would imagine that the vast majority of shotguns for the British market will be crimped from the factory.
If you were buying a Cosmi with a “normal magazine” it would need to have magaxine tube crimped or otherwise permanently modified so it only takes two cartridges. If you were ordering from new, then order it with just a two shot magazine.
Under the law you can only use a “shotgun” to shoot game or wildfowl. The law doesn’t differentiate between a london best double barrelled sidelock or a Franchi Affinity Semi Auto or a Cosmi, provided they meet definition of a Shotgun.
yeah i’m not ordering it from new at 25 large lol.
Heym SR20
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In that case if its not restricted it will need to be restricted and then, I think, but may be wrong, will need to go to proof house for confirmation of the restriction.
I did look at buying an unrestricted Browning BPS in 16 bore a few years ago and costs of having it restricted were not prohibiting - a few hundred from memory. The dealer selling it didn’t want to go through that hassle - I think its still for sale - or was when I last looked.
Or put it another way, would have made an expensive pump action shot gun, but on a high value gun like a Cosmi then worth spending the money.
I always enjoy being reminded of Cosmis. It led me to re-read this, which is both informative, and - in my opinion - a fine piece of writing.
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Cosmi Steel Deluxe
When Landon Stone at Nighthawk Custom, in Berryville, Arkansas, lent me a Cosmi Steel Deluxe in 20-gauge for review, I had to do my research to unravel the enigma of the gun. It is an engineering and artistic marvel that requires devotion to its aesthetic and operation. Nevertheless, this is a...
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exactly- just take my money!
Heym SR20
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Even better - here is how they are made and how they shoot. They are really quite a cool gun. Kind of steam punk invention of the late 18 and early 19 hundreds. Kind of the shotgun equivalent of a broom handled mauser pistol / carbine. And they predate the Browning Auto 5.
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