Cast red stags

[r judd]

A fair evaluation and opinion @Sheamus be intresting to see any further photos of these animals.
I also do my fair share of knocking these things over hence my evaluation.

 

[DEVON _ DEERSTALKING]

I could be heading for a fall here chaps.. I'm giving my opinion before the two forum Oricles have give there verdict. This could be trouble for me ,the post could well be deleted, censored or completely removed. I'd do hope you understand this..
But ill make an attempt to explain. First picture stag in my opinion has a shorter face, heavy neck hair. Features often related to a staggie in its first year. Not in hard antler or displaying antler growth. Certainly not in mature form.
Second spiker stag, typical straight hard antler, quite lean, longer face in my opinion.
I do quite a few of both so I know that the second stag is worth more money than the first. So the second stag would be the first to get it.
What do you reckon to my evaluation our Rudd

Sound like a very valid point didnt about that

 

[DEVON _ DEERSTALKING]

A fair evaluation and opinion @Sheamus be intresting to see any further photos of these animals.
I also do my fair share of knocking these things over hence my evaluation.

Iv not seen the animal in the flesh yet which is a bit gutting

 

[Sheamus]

To be perfectly honest and fair the trail cam footage isn't the greatest to pass a definite conclusion to the identity of the first stag.
I've attached this picture of a stag I shot on the 8th of February 2020. He had a very large body confirmation and no visible antler formation from the distance he was shot from.
Clearly to me he was certainly a 21/22 month old stag with stunted antler growth. Which contributed to his body size not having wasted nourishment on antler growth.
He was half a ton in weight

 

[JH83]

Earliest I have seen cast is 26th January, a very very old stag, huge frame but poor condition-the carcass condemned.

 

[Sol]

I would like too see the full image but for anyone calling that a spiker Is crazy Its a mature deer regardless of the sex the neck on that thing Is massive.

Its not impossible whilst late February Is usually known for the big stags casting what happens when those stags are in high stress? Or otherwise have an injury or something internal going on? There going to shed even earlier than the earliest.

We shot a roe buck in first week september that had clear separation around his coronets and likely would of shed within 2-3 weeks 1st of october is pretty early for a roe buck that wasn't even overly mature, Its leg was severely swollen and was riddled with infection. I doubt this deer has something like that going on shame the ears are in the way.

 

[Sheamus]

I would like too see the full image but for anyone calling that a spiker Is crazy Its a mature deer regardless of the sex the neck on that thing Is massive.

Its not impossible whilst late February Is usually known for the big stags casting what happens when those stags are in high stress? Or otherwise have an injury or something internal going on? There going to shed even earlier than the earliest.

We shot a roe buck in first week september that had clear separation around his coronets and likely would of shed within 2-3 weeks 1st of october is pretty early for a roe buck that wasn't even overly mature, Its leg was severely swollen and was riddled with infection. I doubt this deer has something like that going on shame the ears are in the way.

I very much doubt what you truly know what massive is Sol.
Good luck with the Roe Deer..

 

[HonestJohn]

I would like too see the full image but for anyone calling that a spiker Is crazy Its a mature deer regardless of the sex the neck on that thing Is massive.

Its not impossible whilst late February Is usually known for the big stags casting what happens when those stags are in high stress? Or otherwise have an injury or something internal going on? There going to shed even earlier than the earliest.

We shot a roe buck in first week september that had clear separation around his coronets and likely would of shed within 2-3 weeks 1st of october is pretty early for a roe buck that wasn't even overly mature, Its leg was severely swollen and was riddled with infection. I doubt this deer has something like that going on shame the ears are in the way.

Not old, not even remotely; but in later young age class - “The thinness in their barrel sometimes makes the neck appear thicker in the later young ages. Check that the mass in the neck and chest is maintained throughout the animal’s body when looking for more age.” -

 

[Sol]

I very much doubt what you truly know what massive is Sol.
Good luck with the Roe Deer..

We shoot reds.... regardless of the photo my point still stands about stags being able too cast earlier than even earlier than the usual casting times for mature stags, Injury's, condition, and environmental factors without a doubt come into play. The Roe Is merely an example our usual casting timeframe Is mid november with mature bucks casting the tail end of october yet a deer shot first week of september had antlers attached but very obvious casting lines on it that you could stick a finger nail into.

Nothing about deer besides the rut Is truly linear and utterly predicable, If you bother too learn about them you'd know that.

 

[Sheamus]

We shoot reds.... regardless of the photo my point still stands about stags being able too cast earlier than even earlier than the usual casting times for mature stags, Injury's, condition, and environmental factors without a doubt come into play. The Roe Is merely an example our usual casting timeframe Is mid november with mature bucks casting the tail end of october yet a deer shot first week of september had antlers attached but very obvious casting lines on it that you could stick a finger nail into.

Nothing about deer besides the rut Is truly linear and utterly predicable, If you bother too learn about them you'd know that.

I couldn't agree more , your quite right regarding any species of male deer casting antlers earlier than normal.
There is no specific times for this to happen.
But your completely wrong on the stag picture you commented on. Which is not surprising with you only having just over 5 years in the game.
What is also surprising is that neither of the Oricle 270 Tims have commented on it?
They seem to know it all about everything else?
Probably don't have enough experience with Reds like most on here

 

[VSS]

I couldn't agree more , your quite right regarding any species of male deer casting antlers earlier than normal.
There is no specific times for this to happen.
But your completely wrong on the stag picture you commented on. Which is not surprising with you only having just over 5 years in the game.
What is also surprising is that neither of the Oricle 270 Tims have commented on it?
They seem to know it all about everything else?
Probably don't have enough experience with Reds like most on here

I know next to bugger all about reds.
I do know how to spell oracle though
Can't speak for the other Tim.

 

[Taff]

Yes approximately 20/21 month old..
My opinion is that its older than the staggie in the first picture.

Obviously not ! more like 22/23 month old or an early 19/20 month old. Looking at the thickness of neck it obviously held a substantial size head prior to casting .
Obviously I am not a authority on the subject, as size of head was always a after thought for me as I was only interested in the valuation of the carcass.

 

[Sheamus]

With respect Taff that first stag doesn't have any where near the conformation to have held a substantial head(antler formation)..
Your 22/23 -19/20 age reference? What do you mean??

 

[Taff]

With respect Taff that first stag doesn't have any where near the conformation to have held a substantial head(antler formation)..
Your 22/23 -19/20 age reference? What do you mean??

It’s called sarcasm, seeing what you experts are writing as if you can date to within a month from a grainy photo, without even asking when the average calving dates are for the area, or even if the sag is from that area, stags having been known to travel from the new forest to the quantock hills.
But as I say what would I know.

 

[Sheamus]

Taff I'm not going to be petty and pick you up on your spelling like the resident Oricles do
The average calving dates for Red Deer in the UK are relatively the same give or take a month either side of May/June. Obviously on occasions there probably will be early and late births. So it's quite easy to estimate the age.
To put things into context for those thinking or impressed by the first stag in the grainy trail cam image has a thick(big neck) and is of medium or mature build.
That probably had a substantial antler formation??
We'll this is what one really looks like..

 

[Taff]

I did not say I was impressed by the deer, I may have shot the odd red in the new forest in my 35 yrs of living there.
But probably not as many as some.

 

[Sheamus]

I did not say I was impressed by the deer, I may have shot the odd red in the new forest in my 35 yrs of living there.
But probably not as many as some.

Well in your 35 years of living in the New forest did it ever occur to you why the Red rut happens in the same couple of months every year? Followed by the Fallow rut shortly after
Thus giving an approximate time for births all within a couple of months..
In my opinion if you've only shot a couple in 35 years you haven't exactly got the experience or the knowledge to estimate age..
In other words you know the same about Red Deer as our forum oricle Tim

 

[Taff]

Which side of the bed did you get out of that’s a big chip there, I don’t need to post pictures and give numbers of how many I may have shot. Jez I was only there for a couple of days last year and accounted for the odd deer or two, I may even have had probably the best holding ground for red stags in the area. As I said what would I know.
A couple of months is a couple of months, so I maybe closer to its birth date than you, who knows, no one actually apart from the hind knows, and she ain,t even saying who the father is.

 

[Sheamus]

Which side of the bed did you get out of that’s a big chip there, I don’t need to post pictures and give numbers of how many I may have shot. Jez I was only there for a couple of days last year and accounted for the odd deer or two, I may even have had probably the best holding ground for red stags in the area. As I said what would I know.
A couple of months is a couple of months, so I maybe closer to its birth date than you, who knows, no one actually apart from the hind knows, and she ain,t even saying who the father is.

Best holding ground for Reds in the area and you accounted for the odd two
Taff you should of got your tits in the sink and rolled over more than a few..

 

[Taff]

I would say, red , fallow and muntjac, in two stalks was ok, I think you may struggle with sarcasm a bit. Going now to get my boat ready to go fishing tomorrow morning I may have even caught the odd fish or two, culled a goat or two, along with a pig or two, best wishes for your future.