It would make me laugh if the likes of LACS had to allow deer management on all the pockets of ground that they had purchased to stop people shooting deer.
Why is no one talking numbers?
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mammoth200
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I'm following this sort of discourse with particular interest, being a new stalker, with an FAC application pending, and no land of my own to stalk on yet. Even so, with the land I have been stalking on with my mentor, it's clear that there is a lot of deer. Easy to count in the 100's over the course of a day of roe & CWD alone. I'm willing to do my part closer to home, I just hope local landowners/farmers are also willing to play ball.
It seems there's a not inconsequential amount of gate-keeping of stalking permissions, and the data I see suggests there needs to be a significant change here with collaboration between landowners, farmers, stalkers and at least something that resembles a pathway in for new stalkers. It's not the most straightforward thing to get into, especially if you are completely new to it.
It seems there's a not inconsequential amount of gate-keeping of stalking permissions, and the data I see suggests there needs to be a significant change here with collaboration between landowners, farmers, stalkers and at least something that resembles a pathway in for new stalkers. It's not the most straightforward thing to get into, especially if you are completely new to it.
The one thing we shouldnt forget is that private land is just that..its private. Would you let someone who you didnt know come and camp in your garden? I would suggest no.
I appreciate its striking a balance but if farmers dont want deer shot or want people to pay them for permission its their decision.
If people dont think stalking businesses should pay for land then if the stalking community stops paying to go out with them it will stop. For me there are plenty who will pay to go out for an occasional stalk and dont have the "burden" of managing a large block of land. Personally I have no issue with stalking businesses ... they still have to keep the landowner happy.
No easy answer ....
I appreciate its striking a balance but if farmers dont want deer shot or want people to pay them for permission its their decision.
If people dont think stalking businesses should pay for land then if the stalking community stops paying to go out with them it will stop. For me there are plenty who will pay to go out for an occasional stalk and dont have the "burden" of managing a large block of land. Personally I have no issue with stalking businesses ... they still have to keep the landowner happy.
No easy answer ....
big ears
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Agree but force all into an agreed realistic cull target and fine those who do not make it
Who decides what's realistic? Also hit them hard on one piece of ground and off they go which then makes a cull target less realistic.
Unless its a level playing field its really difficult. Look at Wrigleys in Plymouth....dont think they would take well to being made to control their fallow herd.
There are also many stalkers out there, who would/could do much more but are severely limited by access to land/shoots.
bottletopbill
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It is easy to blame any stalker or professional both parties will take some low numbers in deer numbers and other's a higher amount of deer ..
Yes some recreational stalkers do not shoot lots but are begging for a chance to bag a few for various reasons
So that when DEFRA fails to manage the scheme properly, they are prevented from stalking altogether.
What do you see as being the benefit of that idea? (Assuming the very unlikely situation that it operated as you foresee)
Why? They should have to allow other people to operate on their property for free?
Because you think the government is a reliable arbiter as to what is realistic?
Some of the comments here suggest there are still SD members who believe the Government can be compelled to open up Public Land to licensed deerstaking! It aint gonna happen.
What I take from the Op's thought-provoking and well-considered comments is that it all comes down to the not inconsiderable cost implication for DEFRA, and in consequence you and I as Taxpayers. The one thing that could be done and in a relatively short space of time is to provide local carcass & pluck disposal hubs. Yes, such a call is boringly predictable coming from me as I have indeed been consistent in a call for such, something I do not apologise for.
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What I take from the Op's thought-provoking and well-considered comments is that it all comes down to the not inconsiderable cost implication for DEFRA, and in consequence you and I as Taxpayers. The one thing that could be done and in a relatively short space of time is to provide local carcass & pluck disposal hubs. Yes, such a call is boringly predictable coming from me as I have indeed been consistent in a call for such, something I do not apologise for.
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Nickb
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I think the main problem is what to do with the deer once shot . We could shoot more but there is nowhere up North to offload them.
Roe numbers have never been so high in the North East , there is a lot of ground not shot and also roe colonising urban areas .
No real solution other than compulsory culling.
Roe numbers have never been so high in the North East , there is a lot of ground not shot and also roe colonising urban areas .
No real solution other than compulsory culling.
Hayduke
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Like others have said this is a localised problem.
2 million deer is a made up guesstimate used by rent seekers after more public money.
There are issues with high deer populations in some southern counties particularly fallow and muntjac are a serious concern but over a lot of the UK deer are well managed.
2 million deer is a made up guesstimate used by rent seekers after more public money.
There are issues with high deer populations in some southern counties particularly fallow and muntjac are a serious concern but over a lot of the UK deer are well managed.
Problem is bill are they capable my experience tells me no
And the competency issue? Begging for a chance doesn’t mean you’d be any good at the job Bill
bottletopbill
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Yes i agree as i am still on the learning curve but hands on shooting will help them.
Classroom learning is only the start and being out in the field stalking is much better learning curve .
Guides all have there own ways things are done.
I don't think it's just southern counties. Although that might depend on your definition of southern. Certainly got plenty in the midlands.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’ve killed deer hard to the point where I couldn’t have given a monkeys if I pulled the trigger again, almost gave it up entirely!
I’ve given 2000 acres away and only now shoot for my own pleasure, I’m of the opinion horlicks to the numbers game!!
In reality one has to look at the bigger picture, are deer the problem or are the human race expanding onto or into the deers natural habitat the problem?
I’ve given 2000 acres away and only now shoot for my own pleasure, I’m of the opinion horlicks to the numbers game!!
In reality one has to look at the bigger picture, are deer the problem or are the human race expanding onto or into the deers natural habitat the problem?
Hayduke
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