Deflection

[old keeper]

Some years ago, I was after a fallow and found a group. I waited till the one I was after moved away about 10 yards from the others and dropped it with a heart shot with the 243 at around 60 yards. Shortly after, the thermal spotted another couched down about 150 yards away. I waited for some time for it to move, but it stayed where it was. Eventually, I stalked up to within 50 yards, and I eventually realised it was dead.

Examination showed it was still warm, and there was a bullet wound on the neck. Clearly, the round had gone through the first animal, and had travelled to the group and killed the second deer.

 

[VSS]

The truth often offends the weak minded and I shall never back off from it..
The young lass will take it as constructive criticism and carry on moving forward.
Without doubt i can bring the best out of the Welsh Oricle thats for sure

If she's got any sense she'll have realised by now that any comments coming from you are worthless.
I don't think you know what you're talking about most of the time.

 

[TringSaint]

Had a guy out with me a number of years ago armed with a custom built 243.
Walked him 80 yards into two Stags. He shot both broadside one after another within seconds.
I dispatched both with his gun several minutes later.
I retrieved one bullet out of the offside lung in the one stag.
The other was a complete pass through. Both were double lung shots leaving tiny poxy holes.
No where near enough trauma caused to vital organs to stop them..

Had the same with my 243 on a fallow buck. Tiny 6mm hole one side and I picked the bullet out of the inside of the hide on the other side of the chest.
Heart was blown to bits and it ran 70m but zero blood loss as tiny hole plugged quickly.
Only 6.5 or 308 on fallow or bigger for me nowadays.

 

[HonestJohn]

Upgrade to 30-06 with 165g nosler partitions, and watch them roll over real quick. Proper red deer medicine

 

[artschool]

i shot a running roe in germany year before last with my 375 and it kept going without flinching so i assumed i had missed.

it stopped behind a tree after another 60yards and then collapsed with a 375 hole in the right place.

 

[Sol]

With the 243, especially with lead bullets, in particular the RWS 100gn you need to avoid the big fore leg bones especially on the way in. This will have prevented the bullet penetrating through all the nerves and heart and lung etc. if you had put the bullet two inches further back I suspect the result would have been different.

I dont deny that, without a doubt looking at the placement there's nothing particularly wrong with it Its just skiffed the side, for someone that isn't shooting large centerfire rifles often only being 2" low, and 1" too the left isn't awful by any means, I was just unlucky for all intended purposes any calibre could of done the same thing

The truth often offends the weak minded and I shall never back off from it..
The young lass will take it as constructive criticism and carry on moving forward.
Without doubt i can bring the best out of the Welsh Oricle thats for sure

I'm a twenty year old women If you genuinely feel the need too crap on me that's cool I guess my dude, big man energy for real! 90% of the people on this site, genuinely would consider me a kid.

Nothing about this thread was wrote on intention too shift blame or otherwise say I didnt **** up I posted about it because overall It was a unique experience, .243 has no problems killing reds It has a reasonable 5" killing circle, I was within that circle I was genuinely just simply unlucky If I hut the bone dead on it would of entered at least the chest cavity with no significant issues, but the fact I clipped the side (difference of 0.5-1") the outcome was different.

Whilst it wasn't bang flop the deer died within relatively quick amount of time It wasn't quick, sure but Its not like I shot the thing square in the bowels and It trotted up over the moorland too die 24-48 hours later, yes It took three shots but by all intended purposes the final two were delivered correctly instead of taking a hard quartering gut-lung shot (this would of went awfully, the rumen was completely full) there was likely not much need for the third shot as she would of bled out and was clearly in the process of expiring when I walked up too her, but why would I make her suffer anymore regardless? a head-shot completely ends the situation, instantly.

Thankfully Charlie has got rid of him, I appreciate that he's made some awful comments here in the past and It seems like his entire goal Is arguing.

 

[Foxyboy43]

I dont deny that, without a doubt looking at the placement there's nothing particularly wrong with it Its just skiffed the side, for someone that isn't shooting large centerfire rifles often only being 2" low, and 1" too the left isn't awful by any means, I was just unlucky for all intended purposes any calibre could of done the same thing


I'm a twenty year old women If you genuinely feel the need too crap on me that's cool I guess my dude, big man energy for real! 90% of the people on this site, genuinely would consider me a kid.

Nothing about this thread was wrote on intention too shift blame or otherwise say I didnt **** up I posted about it because overall It was a unique experience, .243 has no problems killing reds It has a reasonable 5" killing circle, I was within that circle I was genuinely just simply unlucky If I hut the bone dead on it would of entered at least the chest cavity with no significant issues, but the fact I clipped the side (difference of 0.5-1") the outcome was different.

Whilst it wasn't bang flop the deer died within relatively quick amount of time It wasn't quick, sure but Its not like I shot the thing square in the bowels and It trotted up over the moorland too die 24-48 hours later, yes It took three shots but by all intended purposes the final two were delivered correctly instead of taking a hard quartering gut-lung shot (this would of went awfully, the rumen was completely full) there was likely not much need for the third shot as she would of bled out and was clearly in the process of expiring when I walked up too her, but why would I make her suffer anymore regardless? a head-shot completely ends the situation, instantly.

Thankfully Charlie has got rid of him, I appreciate that he's made some awful comments here in the past and It seems like his entire goal Is arguing.

You tell ‘em kid and welcome to the world of the (thankfully) few keyboard warriors forever ready to criticise rather than offer advice and encouragement!
Well done for ensuring the deer was finished off - as others say bullets have their own little foibles once you set them trundling off on their merry way. This doe took a broadside-on shoulder shot on the lhs and the 120 gns 6.5 Sierra pretty much turned right 45 degrees and more to virtually gralloch it standing up. I can still see the red corona behind it and hear my pal’s oath exclamation!

 

[Tim.243]

@Sol
This lad from last year, 160yds .243 95gn Hornaday shot in the ribs took out the top of the lungs running about 20/25 yds
The round went through the flesh between the ribs then the lungs and about the same on the exit.
You can see the blood exit from the nose/mouth

 

[Heym SR20]

dont deny that, without a doubt looking at the placement there's nothing particularly wrong with it Its just skiffed the side, for someone that isn't shooting large centerfire rifles often only being 2" low, and 1" too the left isn't awful by any means, I was just unlucky for all intended purposes any calibre could of done the same thing

I am afraid that at times things don’t go to plan, and over the years we have all had deer that haven’t read the best practice guides. And as you said doesn’t matter about the cartridge.

I shot a hind a few weeks ago. It was after a steep climb, I was waiting for the others to get in position, so we could two or three out of the pack of hinds. They were on the edge of comfortable range, and I misjudged the wind. My bullet went a bit far back through the back of the lungs and liver. The hind ran down stumbling and breaking a leg. And the went out of sight behind a rock.

The wise thing to do would just have been to stay quiet for 20 minutes and let it die in peace or at very least stiffen up completely. We didn’t- instead we went forward far to fast, and spooked it. We got it eventually but it took us several hundred yards across a very steep hillside before it finally collapsed.

I didn’t listen to my own advice and experience, but waiting 20 minutes after a shot is often the best thing to do. I had a roe doe 10 days ago run at the shot. Again I had that sinking feeling that yet again I had pulled a shot. But sat quiet and then quietly stalked forward. I saw the doe lying dead in a large pool of blood about 20 yards downhill from where I shot her. And there was another doe feeding about 100 yards further on. So that one was also shot.

 

[Selous]

It happens to us all at some stage or another. I think the quartering on shot is both difficult and unforgiving. Poor bullet choice compounds the effect.
As an example I shot this buffalo cow at about 50m with a .458 and hit the point of the shoulder where I was aiming with a 420 grain Cutting Edge Raptor. This bullet was reputed to be the baddest kid on the block and I’m sure would be great for a broadside chest shot. The cow took off at the shot and we caught up with it after about 30 minutes of very tense and slow movement through the bush. She was very much alive and kicking despite the bullet shank penetrating both lungs and exiting. She was held at bay by a very brave Jack Russell who dodged and weaved like Mohammed Ali whilst the cow tried to gore him. It took six more shots of 450 grain flat point solids to put her down whilst trying not to hit the dog. Exciting, yes, ideal, absolutely not. If you shoot enough game then something like this happens and it is more likely with a smaller lighter bullets and with larger heavier game. When I reflect on what happened my bullet choice was a poor choice for the quartering on shot as the petals that broke off did so before getting into the chest cavity so only the shank left a narrow wound channel through the lungs. The follow up shots were not ideally placed and probably too high as I was trying not to hit the dog and the buffalo was still moving. Lesson learned and next time it’s a bullet that retains weight rather than loses it. The initial shot placement was good but I asked far too much of the bullet construction and nearly had problems because of that.

 

[Mike1979]

At least you finished it off which is the main thing. I personally prefer not to use the .243 on the larger species after I had a deflection (and that was on a roe).

Just to make the point I am highlighting the "I personally" part so that applies to me. .243 is a cracking round and is very effective, however for me, the deflection just put me off so I prefer to use the 6.5 Creed. Given I am using copper I would much rather a 120 ish grain 6.5 round in the same place then a 80 or 100 grain out of the .243. But, as I said that is my opinion and I have shot absolutely bugger all reds

If any Creedmoor haters care to comment then crack on (ignorance is bliss )

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

Well done @Sol , you made the best of a not so great situation. Common phrase around here is, you're not shooting enough deer if you don't have 1 or 2 go a bit squirrelly. Its experience at the end of the day - keep on tucking!

I shot Sika prickett last year with .308, went through shoulder, hit the heart and he still ran the length of the field. Probably around 120 meters - sheet happens

 

[Tim.243]

@Sol .243 100gn Federal
Ran sub 40 yds dead as a nit. The 6.5 Sheepmoore owners were tucked up at home

Thread 'Nice Red'

Oct 29, 2011

Here is picture of a nice Red I shot one afternoon as they were heading back to cover, 115 yds Federal 100grain s/p.

Tim .243

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[Mike1979]

@Sol .243 100gn Federal
Ran sub 40 yds dead as a nit. The 6.5 Sheepmoore owners were tucked up at home

Thread 'Nice Red'

Oct 29, 2011

Here is picture of a nice Red I shot one afternoon as they were heading back to cover, 115 yds Federal 100grain s/p.

Tim .243

• Tim.243
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• Forum: Write Ups

Wow Timmy what an absolute legend you are...and only had to go back 15 years to find a pic

Gaymore and now Sheepmoore ...spelling seems to be slipping bud...but keeps us all amused

 

[Tim.243]

Wow Timmy what an absolute legend you are...and only had to go back 15 years to find a pic

Gaymore and now Sheepmoore ...spelling seems to be slipping bud...but keeps us all amused

What happened to "I will refrain from commenting on your posts Tim" as I tagged Sol not you.

 

[Mike1979]

What happened to "I will refrain from commenting on your posts Tim" as I tagged Sol not you.

I covered this in one of the posts where you were talking out of your arse about Creedmoor rifles (correct spelling) and copper.

I didnt see anywhere in the rules that prohibited open comments?

I prefer not to comment on most of your posts but at times I am driven to it as my nonsense filter level is exceeded.

Not sure why I bother as you know best anyway

 

[Tim.243]

I covered this in one of the posts where you were talking out of your arse about Creedmoor rifles (correct spelling) and copper.

I didnt see anywhere in the rules that prohibited open comments?

I prefer not to comment on most of your posts but at times I am driven to it as my nonsense filter level is exceeded.

Not sure why I bother as you know best anyway

Well I tagged Sol not you guess you are the spokes person for "all" do you shout the answers for both teams at the pub quiz lol

You invited If any Creedmoor haters care to comment then crack on, then don't like it. Make you mind up lol

 

[Sol]

@Sol .243 100gn Federal
Ran sub 40 yds dead as a nit. The 6.5 Sheepmoore owners were tucked up at home

Thread 'Nice Red'

Oct 29, 2011

Here is picture of a nice Red I shot one afternoon as they were heading back to cover, 115 yds Federal 100grain s/p.

Tim .243

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• Forum: Write Ups

I shot two last year with no real issues of the .243 the first one never even moved and dropped within about 15 seconds, this guy here ran a little ways just out of sight but didnt even make it over the wall, the unfortunate thing is It would of been an easier recovery if he did, ouch!

Both deer maybe 10-15 paces between them? that's not bad odds, one thing that I do look at Is this guy here was shot in november and look at how thin his winter coat is.
The bullet passed through and got caught in the skin on the other side the one the other day however I shot had no pass-through on both shots, that's something perhaps too consider.

Logistically not very often were shooting reds this late into winter usually we just wanted one for ourselves so we took the chance, fur/skin usually eats up a decent amount of energy

Nothing stopping us in theory from switching to Federal .243s and instead too something in the 110-120gr area and see If that has any impact.

 

[Mike1979]

Well I tagged Sol not you guess you are the spokes person for "all" do you shout the answers for both teams at the pub quiz lol

You invited If any Creedmoor haters care to comment then crack on, then don't like it. Make you mind up lol

No pubs near where I live Tim. I think we are very similar...both think we are right and like to shout about it

Happy for the Creedmoor hating anyway as it is utter shite as its a cracking calibre.

Will leave you be..or at least try

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Just to make the point I am highlighting the "I personally" part so that applies to me. .243 is a cracking round and is very effective, however for me, the deflection just put me off so I prefer to use the 6.5 Creed. Given I am using copper I would much rather a 120 ish grain 6.5 round in the same place then a 80 or 100 grain out of the .243. But, as I said that is my opinion and I have shot absolutely bugger all reds

If any Creedmoor haters care to comment then crack on (ignorance is bliss )

140gn is better