Night shooting deer under CL55 - Police Notifications

[Norfolk Deer Search]

@Norfolk Deer Search. This is a genuine question and not me trying to be difficult. Say someone shoots a deer at last light, it runs and needs to be tracked. How is that any different to someone night shooting it? Surely there's a potential welfare problem with both situations and if the argument is along the lines of 'they shouldn't be shot in the dark because of welfare and tracking difficulties', should the same logic not be applied to say 'no shooting at last light as you need to leave time for potential need to track it'? Again, genuine question and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

I get the 'everyone and his dog will now bw signing up for it and not all may be as experienced' angle.

My Austrian friends don't night shoot in their Revier but neighbouring Reviers which the deer travel from/through are hunted in at night to get numbers down (govt rules regarding TB). IIRC they reported that in their hunting ground the deer became more wary and on edge as a result of not having safety at night and harder to stalk.

Fist you have to find the shot site and then decide where it’s been hit, if you have lung blood you know it’s not gone far.

You find bone, see you in the morning you go after that you’ll push it on, increasing suffering

Liver blood or gut, see you in the morning, it needs time, see you in the morning, can go a long way is pushed.

What best, prevent injury to yourself and you dog and find the deer the next day in daylight, or go after it in the dark, risk injury to yourself, your dog and push it on and don’t get the deer because you were too keen, Increasing unnecessary suffering

But remember I tracked as a call out service, wasn’t my ground I don’t know it.

I’ve gone a very long way with the dog and found animal, how far would you go in the dark in thick cover! 25-100yds before giving up? In the morning you can do 500-1km, because if you do t read that shot site wrong and you go after it you can push it a very very long way

But what do I know, all you experts know better so crack on

 

[Polar Lynx]

Most deer and boar we shoot at night time is within sunset + 2 hrs insted as legal 1 +. With this there is plenty of time to retrieve an animal which is wounded. The name of the game is waiting and waiting. No use go searching directly apart from checking within 60 m. Always a dog acessible when we go out and very seldom just one hunter.

The dog vill easily find the place where the animal is shot at. With boar it may take 30-50 m before adrenaline start pumping strong scent.
Anyway, it happens shots are badly placed but very rarely do we need to return to the place next day.

Much more work during day time when boar and deer most often are shot at running.
With night time shooting there is a greater need for planning. How many hunters out and where. Who has the dog. What are the contact numbers for neighburs etc. With text messages all this is much easier now days.

Anyway, not everyone ought to do night time shooting. Takes experience and the need for rather expensive helping devices but modern devices make night shooting well safe and spotter often will see dead animal after the shot.
Ideally, there ought not to be night time shooting at all but what do you do now that boar are only night active and deer just too many of.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Also something I will say who’s gonna pay your bills if you trip over in the dark and break your leg and then you’re off work for six weeks all for the sake of messing about in the dark following a deer, when it can be done in the daylight?

Farmer is gonna turn around and say well thats your luck, he’s not gonna stick his hand in his pocket and pay your wage while your laid up!

you lot are thinking too much about the short term gain from night shooting deer and taking the money from the dealer than you are your own safety, thought I’d just slipped that one in there!

 

[Tim.243]

Also something I will say who’s gonna pay your bills if you trip over in the dark and break your leg and then you’re off work for six weeks all for the sake of messing about in the dark following a deer, when it can be done in the daylight?

Farmer is gonna turn around and say well thats your luck, he’s not gonna stick his hand in his pocket and pay your wage while your laid up!

you lot are thinking too much about shooting deer and taking the money from the dealer than you are your own safety, thought I’d just slipped that one in there!

This is it Lee, like we spoke about how many times do you hear on the news when the search team say.

"The search has been called off and will resume at first light" at night you won't see/know where the slurry pit, heard of grumpy cows with calf's, edge of a quarry, railway track to list just a few.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

This is it Lee, like we spoke about how many times do you hear on the news when the search team say.

"The search has been called off and will resume at first light" at night you won't see/know where the slurry pit, heard of grumpy cows with calf's, edge of a quarry, railway track to list just a few.

100% all for what £60 odd fallow at the Game Dealer

But I’ll wager penny to the pound that they will get shot and not retrieved, very simple blame next door, it happens all the time

 

[nf-fuse]

Also something I will say who’s gonna pay your bills if you trip over in the dark and break your leg and then you’re off work for six weeks all for the sake of messing about in the dark following a deer, when it can be done in the daylight?

Farmer is gonna turn around and say well thats your luck, he’s not gonna stick his hand in his pocket and pay your wage while your laid up!

you lot are thinking too much about the short term gain from night shooting deer and taking the money from the dealer than you are your own safety, thought I’d just slipped that one in there!

Who's gonna pay your bills if you break your leg playing football or anything else?

Well actually I have insurance for things like that but there we go.

What someone might do to themself is hardly a justification for not night shooting is it. I would hope if you're allowed out with a gun you have the mental capacity to assess basic risks in life.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Who's gonna pay your bills if you break your leg playing football or anything else?

Well actually I have insurance for things like that but there we go.

What someone might do to themself is hardly a justification for not night shooting is it. I would hope if you're allowed out with a gun you have the mental capacity to assess basic risks in life.

You’re ****ing in the wind and getting legs going down that road with me, I’m not stupid enough to kick a football!

And I’m not stupid enough to kill deer at night either or track them, I can earn more money laying in my bed with my eyes closed without busting a gut in the dark

 

[nf-fuse]

You’re ****ing in the wind and getting legs going down that road with me, I’m not stupid enough to kick a football!

And I’m not stupid enough to kill deer at night either or track them, I can earn more money laying in my bed with my eyes closed without busting a gut in the dark

So all you do in life is lay in bed or stalk deer in the day light?

Mind you, you must need some time to get the whole thing shut down like you said in an earlier post. Even for someone of your capacity that can't be at 5 minute job....

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

So all you do in life is lay in bed or stalk deer in the day light?

Mind you, you must need some time to get the whole thing shut down like you said in an earlier post. Even for someone of your capacity that can't be at 5 minute job....

Oh really? To get it shut down all you’d have to do is mention animal welfare and health and safety wouldn’t take long to get the upper levels of management head spinning.

You carry on you wanna go bust a gut in the dark good luck to you like I said I’ve got better things to do

 

[nf-fuse]

Oh really? To get it shut down all you’d have to do is mention animal welfare and health and safety wouldn’t take long to get the upper levels of management head spinning.

You carry on you wanna go bust a gut in the dark good luck to you like I said I’ve got better things to do

Of course. I bet no one ever thought of all that.

 

[Greenmist]

Shooting deer at night bloody unbelievable
Any ramblers walk at night probably yes but how do you know if there out there I know of two fatal accidents by someone walking at night got fatally shot and another incident where a a horse was killed
Some idiots can't see if it's a deer a human or a horse
Should be stopped

A safe backstop is still effective in the dark, your issue seems to be with unsafe shooting

 

[Greenmist]

You on your ground in Devon under night license, you shoot chest shoot a fallow and it runs into cover, there is blood you follow and the blood stops? What you going to do next?

Not that I shoot deer at night, but in that situation I'd get the dog, same as I would during the day

 

[Jh1986]

Not that I shoot deer at night, but in that situation I'd get the dog, same as I would during the day

Access to a dog now being mandatory under CL55, be it on site or next morning

 

[nf-fuse]

Access to a dog now being mandatory under CL55, be it on site or next morning

What?

 

[Jh1986]

What?

They said it on our BDS night shooting course. Basically everything that is/was listed as "best practice", is now written into CL55 as mandated meaning it basically is legally required (or you are not operating under the terms of the licence)

 

[nf-fuse]

They said it on our BDS night shooting course. Basically everything that is/was listed as "best practice", is now written into CL55 as mandated meaning it basically is legally required (or you are not operating under the terms of the licence)

Cl55 doesn't say anything about dogs. Nor anything about BDS best practice.

 

[Jh1986]

Cl55 doesn't say anything about dogs. Nor anything about BDS best practice.

Condition 10: follow best practice
You must comply with the Deer Initiative Partnership guidance on night shooting, in force at the time of action, and any other relevant best practices guidelines relating to the shooting of deer. If there is conflict between a licence condition and the guidelines, follow the licence condition.

Edit: so basically everything HERE is now a legal requirement. You can't even go out on your own

 

[Tim.243]

Condition 10: follow best practice
You must comply with the Deer Initiative Partnership guidance on night shooting, in force at the time of action, and any other relevant best practices guidelines relating to the shooting of deer. If there is conflict between a licence condition and the guidelines, follow the licence condition.

How many times have you used your dog in the day on deer

 

[Chris Richardson]

They said it on our BDS night shooting course. Basically everything that is/was listed as "best practice", is now written into CL55 as mandated meaning it basically is legally required (or you are not operating under the terms of the licence)

fantastic , i hope all the cert collectors are high fiving themselves

 

[Jh1986]

How many times have you used your dog in the day on deer

None, but that's not the point. They've now made it a requirement to follow best practice and best practice is to have access to a deer dog