Stalking and Foxing, between 2 different parties

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I have a couple of bits of ground for stalking, both bits have someone else that does the foxing. I'm ok with this, as this was explained to me before I took the stalking on.
One of the foxers is great, I get on with him like a house on fire and he's always telling me where he sees deer at night and I mention any foxes I see to him.
The other guy is not so forthcoming! Barely speaks to me and I know is very keen on stalking (also have my suspicions that he's shooting a few deer). I don't entirely trust him tbh, but he's a close friend of the farmer so I don't want to rock the boat.

So, would you offer him some stalking to try and get to know him better, or tell the farmer your thoughts and risk loosing the ground?
 
Trail cams in areas you usually shoot deer. If you see anything on them, ask an innocuous question next time you see the farmer along the lines of 'From my trail cams I take it you gave x permission on the deer as well. Is it possible for you to let me know when he's out for safety?' Work out from the reactions as to whether it's a case of them having deer permission or not and drop in that you thought it was just you.
 
I would try break the ice, take him out stalking you never know you both could get on?

I don’t know where you stand with the farmer, but my guess is if you don’t know the farmer too well or just through stalking he will always side with a friend. There are 50+ people that would take on the ground to stalk, so in the grand scheme of things we’re replaceable. Also it’s not out of the question the farmer has told him he can shoot a deer for the pot…

I have a piece of ground now where the original foxer/stalker was firm he didn’t want me to shoot any foxes or deer just rabbits. I stuck to my word, told him where I saw deer and foxes etc, a year later he asked me if I would like to start shooting the foxes when I saw them, I agreed and sent photos etc, the following year he asked me if I wanted to start shooting the deer.

To this day I let him know what I see and what I shoot, he’s a good friend now! (He’s also best mates with the farmer)

I now also get numerous free days partridge shooting

Fortunately for me it has worked out well.
 
fordman said:
I have a couple of bits of ground for stalking, both bits have someone else that does the foxing. I'm ok with this, as this was explained to me before I took the stalking on.
One of the foxers is great, I get on with him like a house on fire and he's always telling me where he sees deer at night and I mention any foxes I see to him.
The other guy is not so forthcoming! Barely speaks to me and I know is very keen on stalking (also have my suspicions that he's shooting a few deer). I don't entirely trust him tbh, but he's a close friend of the farmer so I don't want to rock the boat.

So, would you offer him some stalking to try and get to know him better, or tell the farmer your thoughts and risk loosing the ground?
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If you have suspicions that someone is shooting deer on the farm & it’s not you then raise that concern with the other guy & by asking the farmer if they’ve noticed anyone suspicious about the place. Perhaps also ask the farmer if he’d be OK if you asked the other guy if he’d be up to helping you out with a ‘move’ on the does one morning or two next winter because he knows the ground & bringing a rifle to take a shot if it presented, etc.
 
fordman said:
I have a couple of bits of ground for stalking, both bits have someone else that does the foxing. I'm ok with this, as this was explained to me before I took the stalking on.
One of the foxers is great, I get on with him like a house on fire and he's always telling me where he sees deer at night and I mention any foxes I see to him.
The other guy is not so forthcoming! Barely speaks to me and I know is very keen on stalking (also have my suspicions that he's shooting a few deer). I don't entirely trust him tbh, but he's a close friend of the farmer so I don't want to rock the boat.

So, would you offer him some stalking to try and get to know him better, or tell the farmer your thoughts and risk loosing the ground?
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If he's a close friend of the farmer, then he would likely have the stalking already if he wanted. Sounds like you're the new guy so definitely don't rock the boat. Do you have enough deer off of there to keep you happy?


Scott
 
Mountain Bug said:
If he's a close friend of the farmer, then he would likely have the stalking already if he wanted. Sounds like you're the new guy so definitely don't rock the boat. Do you have enough deer off of there to keep you happy?


Scott
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yes, I suppose I do, but its that feeling when, you think you're the only stalker on the ground, then find out someone else is shooting them when your not there (possibly!).
 
Have you asked the farmer if he has permission to shoot the odd deer ?, I would do it in a very friendly way, almost suggesting that if he didn’t you have some spare venison he can have.
You will get your answer, but don’t, suggest that you think he is shooting deer, or you may not have the stalking for long.
 
Just remember that its the farmer whose ground it is and on that basis try and avoid rocking the boat. Personally I find it strange that if the guy is a mate of the farmer and is maybe shooting the deer - why are you there? (Absolutely no disrespect meant with this comment).

Suggest you crack on as you are and don't worry about the other bloke. Why should you go out of your way to be nice to someone who doesn't want to be polite to you?
 
Mike1979 said:
Just remember that its the farmer whose ground it is and on that basis try and avoid rocking the boat. Personally I find it strange that if the guy is a mate of the farmer and is maybe shooting the deer - why are you there? (Absolutely no disrespect meant with this comment).

Suggest you crack on as you are and don't worry about the other bloke. Why should you go out of your way to be nice to someone who doesn't want to be polite to you?
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Im probably the stalker because I was willing to pay for the lease!!
 
fordman said:
Im probably the stalker because I was willing to pay for the lease!!
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You didn't mention paying for it. That changes my opinion. If you're paying a lease for the stalking rights, I wouldn't tolerate any interlopers but you'll need proof if you're going to accuse someone.


Scott
 
fordman said:
I have a couple of bits of ground for stalking, both bits have someone else that does the foxing. I'm ok with this, as this was explained to me before I took the stalking on.
One of the foxers is great, I get on with him like a house on fire and he's always telling me where he sees deer at night and I mention any foxes I see to him.
The other guy is not so forthcoming! Barely speaks to me and I know is very keen on stalking (also have my suspicions that he's shooting a few deer). I don't entirely trust him tbh, but he's a close friend of the farmer so I don't want to rock the boat.

So, would you offer him some stalking to try and get to know him better, or tell the farmer your thoughts and risk loosing the ground?
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Don’t trust him or try to win him over. Just gather proof he’s shooting deer and take it to the man you pay cash to for the stalking.
 
I have a couple of places that are shot by others. My only concern is that we don’t have a blue on blue (happened before I knew others about and was a bit scary) beyond that I just crack on and don’t rock the boat
 
If he is already on there and you suspect, what do you have to lose by taking him out?
Take him out and let him lead the way, if he knows where to go and what’s about you likely have your answer.
If you shoot something let him grollach it, that way you have an idea and offer for him to take it home, you may be able to gauge from his reaction, he may say he doesn’t like venison “I wouldn’t know how to skin it” etc all good indications.

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.
 
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