THE BOW HUNTER

[Smellydog]

Its not the tool too shoot big groups of fallow in the middle of fields, but carefully picking them off as they filter through woodland on trails just like how the US does it, It keeps pressure down and can shoot in higher risk areas.

Its a niche weapon, but useful in cases.

Sol, you'd be better off drawing a wee face on a tin of spam and having a conversation with that than trying to get through to numb skull....

 

[Tim.243]

You never tire of being an ass ?

Well you asked if I found it funny,
Wonder how long it’ll take for Tim.243 to find this one funny as well
The old saying
“Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!”

 

[Taff]

A few people on here have kept referring to a test equivalent to DSC 1, ( or better known as the deer fund BASC scheme) most of the questions and comments in the deer stalking forum, it’s the last thing we need.

 

[Taff]

The only tray I use is one the deer lay in on the way home (then to the game dealer ), use a trolly but don't tuck the rifle under the hedge while recovering the deer.
When the rifle is going to be "out of sight" for a recovery it is secured in the truck then recover the deer, not tucked under a bush lol



Ooops a Tray

Obviously in the wilds of Essex, with your vast experience of at least walking 200yds from your truck, with your wheelbarrow. We all bow to your vast experience.
I remember shooting my first fallow buck in 79, and pushing it home in the dark in a wheel barrow, with a squeaky wheel, my father still has the head, running shoot, single barrel , 8 mm buckshot, I recon that was a harder push than most of your deer, in the wilds of Essex.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Well you asked if I found it funny,
Wonder how long it’ll take for Tim.243 to find this one funny as well
The old saying
“Be careful what you wish for, lest it come true!”

Yeh, didn’t expect a reply tho did I

 

[Taff]

He loves to reply, worse than a babbling beagle

 

[Tim.243]

Obviously in the wilds of Essex, with your vast experience of at least walking 200yds from your truck, with your wheelbarrow. We all bow to your vast experience.
I remember shooting my first fallow buck in 79, and pushing it home in the dark in a wheel barrow, with a squeaky wheel, my father still has the head, running shoot, single barrel , 8 mm buckshot, I recon that was a harder push than most of your deer, in the wilds of Essex.

I pull them not push, 2 at a time...got a squeaky winch if that helps
I will see you wheelbarrow and raise you 2 fallow on a 350 yd pull

 

[Simon NZ]

These guys are probably the most innovating;

DIVIDE

www.g5prime.com

Divide bow with twin carbon stays. They came out with twin cams aswell. Apparently really like twins.
I like more contact with the grip than the light competition grip than the fella in the video. If you shoot uphill or down it rotates differently due to pendulum effect and also shooting outdoors with wind it's like a sail twisting the bow..can also get away with a shorter stabiliser. Takes a bit more training but who isn't addicted to backyard shooting anyway?
Am mightily impressed by carbon. Been making handles with only 15% amount of carbon and by golly what a difference from the pathetic amount. Even just tapping them the tone difference is significant, more like tapping sound on glass than polymer.

 

[shakey jake]

I dont know why any one talks to a troll. The best thing about global warming is the swamp that will be formed to the north east of london.

 

[Deerhunter22]

I dont know why any one talks to a troll. The best thing about global warming is the swamp that will be formed to the north east of london.

I think for me anyways I’m more intrigued into why someone who I’m guessing is in there 60’s maybe 70’s wants to be a troll and how it gives them enjoyment as to my mind it’s about as childish as you can get

 

[Leec6.5]

The problem is, the law is the law, it’s banned and that is that!

All @Tim.243 is telling you is it’s banned and you don’t like hearing it!

 

[Mungo]

Archery deer either die on the run, or run and stop usually within sight and tip over dead without knowing what happened, rifle deer in my view are clearly stressed and suffering from the moment of the shot going off.

I’m not sure that’s a completely accurate comparison. It may be true with clean archery kills - where the arrow has hit the heart or major artery. It’s certainly not true for the slower kills and all the wounded animals.

And that’s the problem: the margin of error is much smaller, the skill required to reach effective accuracy is much higher, and an even slightly inaccurate shot leads to a death that is prolonged by hours or days.

So while I do think there is a good argument for using modern compounds in specific UK contexts (golf courses, suburban areas, near housing etc), I think it’s probably inaccurate to claim that bows are more humane on average.

 

[Simon NZ]

Banned due to not clean kill and quiet for poaching. A sincere contradiction trailing an animal and its a popular poaching tool.
So we have bows here and seldom is it the case. Rifles have less skill.
But you can practice more with a bow everyday and you will become as accurate if not more than a rifle due to that reason.
They are far more humane and better now than when the ban was created. Bows from the sixties has seen more improvements than humans able to get to the moon. If the gains in bows was used as a measure in gains in space we'd be on Mars.
Ethics should be applied the same to all shots, know the limits of range and calibre.
Bow hunters are more ethical than rifle hunters? They choose a more difficult hunt for a start.

 

[Leec6.5]

Banned due to not clean kill and quiet for poaching. A sincere contradiction trailing an animal and its a popular poaching tool.
So we have bows here and seldom is it the case. Rifles have less skill.
But you can practice more with a bow everyday and you will become as accurate if not more than a rifle due to that reason.
They are far more humane and better now than when the ban was created. Bows from the sixties has seen more improvements than humans able to get to the moon. If the gains in bows was used as a measure in gains in space we'd be on Mars.
Ethics should be applied the same to all shots, know the limits of range and calibre.
Bow hunters are more ethical than rifle hunters? They choose a more difficult hunt for a start.

Yes, I get all that and I far from hate the idea of it, but what you’re dealing with with regards to the government is their brain dead ****tards, and I’m afraid nothing will change it, even if there was a good strong petition put forward you’ve got more chance in the pope coming around my house the Sunday dinner!

 

[Tim.243]

The problem is, the law is the law, it’s banned and that is that!

All @Tim.243 is telling you is it’s banned and you don’t like hearing it!

At last Lee, I think the pages and pages of trolling about the lead ban with those guilty contributing to those threads overshadows a subject which has been prohibited for 61 years.
The restriction falls under broad animal welfare protections, as traditional bowhunting is viewed as less humane than regulated rifle shooting.

We use expanding rounds with pages and pages on which round (causes less bruising ) over FMY for quarry, we accepted steel shot for wildfowling, come 2029 the lead ban will come into force (I don't like the thought of it but accept it)

None of the people who are complaining will sit inside a restaurant plane train office place of work and smoke because it has been banned but happy to troll over the lead ban

Seems people are happy to poke a finger but relucent to start the change and over turn the bow ban.

The fix is easy! Move to a country who allows it.

 

[Taff]

I pull them not push, 2 at a time...got a squeaky winch if that helps
I will see you wheelbarrow and raise you 2 fallow on a 350 yd pull

I raise you one helicopter and hopefully not a squeaky rotor

 

[Tim.243]

I raise you one helicopter and hopefully not a squeaky rotor
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Yes you don't want any squeaking...stay safe.

 

[25 Sharps]

Anyhow, you’re right. I don’t think there is any good lawful reason it’s banned but how do you work up the ladder of bureaucracy to get it written into being legal that I do not know
I’d love to it legalised, absolutely cock all reason it isn’t but I would defo mandate a competency test and knowledge test purely so bams couldn’t just go buy a bow and shoot cause it’s not as simple as picking up a bow, personally I’d limit it to Compound or sighted Recurve, I wouldn’t personally favour unsighted trad bows but then what’s to say my opinion is what counts

Wonder how long it’ll take for Tim.243 to find this one funny aswell

It’ll never go through on animal welfare grounds whether those grounds are correct or not.

I would want to hunt with a traditional bow or at least a recurve, rather than all the bells and whistles. I was a good archery shot in my teens, not so much these days.

 

[VSS]

Bow hunters are more ethical than rifle hunters? They choose a more difficult hunt for a start.

Deliberately choosing a more difficult hunt is unethical.
An ethical hunt is one which puts the quarry on the ground as quickly, easily and humanely as possible.
That is why shooting pheasants out of trees at dusk is more ethical than driving them over a line of guns.

Are you perhaps conflating the terms "ethical" and "fair chase"? The two are at opposite ends of the hunting spectrum, imo.

 

[Taff]

There is nothing ethical about any form of hunting in some people opinion, the same can be said about farming, so for anyone to claim one is more ethical than the other is a non starter.