If they opened up the seasons would you ………
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Leec6.5
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At last someone with a spine ! Thank you
yep i struggle to see why we have no bother shooting pregnant muntys but are aghast at the thought of other species, should add only obviously pregnant females not when young are at foot
David Barker
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I think to start with the open season on male deer should be stopped as it has in the main had the opposite effect on numbers as a whole. We now have Pro stalkers and Rec stalkers activly removing males to satisfy paying guests or level 2 stalks while rec stalkers want more deer so as a choice they will always take a male. Would i should females out of season not at all under normal circumstances and only if it was to stop suffering.
HonestJohn
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If you have the right people on the ground, there is no need to shoot out of season. The need comes from landowners wanting payment for the stalking rights, leaving it to the wealthy / wealthier, many of whom have busy day jobs.
Make it illegal to accept payment for deer management, and make landowners liable to adhere to certain cull plans and report on them, and I think you’ll quickly find things changing.
I find out of season shooting unnecessary and highly distasteful, including the full male season in Scotland, they have it all wrong!
Make it illegal to accept payment for deer management, and make landowners liable to adhere to certain cull plans and report on them, and I think you’ll quickly find things changing.
I find out of season shooting unnecessary and highly distasteful, including the full male season in Scotland, they have it all wrong!
Leec6.5
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100% having the right people on the ground
I’ve always said there are those who can and there are those who can’t, of which there are too many of those who cant well said that man!
Leec6.5
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That’s another solution, ban on male seasons gets a
from me !
From the BDS.
The British Deer Society (BDS) advises that when culling female muntjac, heavily pregnant does should be selected. Because non-native muntjac breed year-round with no fixed closed season, taking a pregnant doe prevents leaving a dependent fawn to starve
From BASC
There is no statutory close season for this species. However, it is recommended that when culling female muntjac, immature or heavily pregnant does are selected to avoid leaving dependent young. ** There is no statutory close season for male deer of any species in Scotland.
Both arm in arm over Muntjac,
Common sense (who said that was common)
would be to ensure the gralloch and especially what could be a close to a full term fetus is delt with,
As a pile of gralloch and red calf will be a heap far bigger that a couple of roe come the month they are ready to drop.
The shooters with out kit to move and dispose with soon get fed up also the landowners ear being chewed off as they got lazy and left them.
The British Deer Society (BDS) advises that when culling female muntjac, heavily pregnant does should be selected. Because non-native muntjac breed year-round with no fixed closed season, taking a pregnant doe prevents leaving a dependent fawn to starve
From BASC
There is no statutory close season for this species. However, it is recommended that when culling female muntjac, immature or heavily pregnant does are selected to avoid leaving dependent young. ** There is no statutory close season for male deer of any species in Scotland.
Both arm in arm over Muntjac,
Common sense (who said that was common)
would be to ensure the gralloch and especially what could be a close to a full term fetus is delt with,As a pile of gralloch and red calf will be a heap far bigger that a couple of roe come the month they are ready to drop.
The shooters with out kit to move and dispose with soon get fed up also the landowners ear being chewed off as they got lazy and left them.
Leec6.5
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I’m of the opinion that if the land owner and the powers that be want them shot, they have to be prepared to deal with the mess, or quit moaning!From the BDS.
The British Deer Society (BDS) advises that when culling female muntjac, heavily pregnant does should be selected. Because non-native muntjac breed year-round with no fixed closed season, taking a pregnant doe prevents leaving a dependent fawn to starve
From BASC
There is no statutory close season for this species. However, it is recommended that when culling female muntjac, immature or heavily pregnant does are selected to avoid leaving dependent young. ** There is no statutory close season for male deer of any species in Scotland.
Both arm in arm over Muntjac,
Common sense (who said that was common)
As a pile of gralloch and red calf will be a heap far bigger that a couple of roe come the month they are ready to drop.
The shooters with out kit to move and dispose with soon get fed up also the landowners ear being chewed off as they got lazy and left them.
SikaSeeker
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I can’t understand the mindset. We shoot pregnant does/hinds all winter. I think people make it ok with themselves if the fetus is at early development. It’s still the same unborn deer if you shoot it in November or march. I think they should shorten the buck season and lengthen the doe season. Put back the buck season to the old season here in Ireland.
patjack
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"Make it illegal to accept payment for deer management, and make landowners liable to adhere to certain cull plans and report on them, and I think you’ll quickly find things changing"
Just to clarify do you mean from paid stalkers or landowners accepting the £165 per hectare from the woodland grant schemes for deer & grey squirrel control England-Wales, if you mean landowners taking the grant money there are strict rules and returning data and proof of natural regeneration by reducing deer numbers and or exclusion zones have to be met, though plenty probably take the money and then charge for stalkers-syndicates which is a questionable practice considering the money is from tax payers and should they really be paid twice.
I am not sure we should be comparing Muntjac with the other larger species as Muntjac are very unique and though there are some variations in birthings of the larger species they are relatively defined, where as the only ethical practice is to shoot heavily pregnant Muntjac to not orphan dependant young.
I was under the impression that an unborn calf would expire within 1-2 minutes of the hind/doe being shot. Following best practice, you reload and wait an appropriate amount of time before approaching the downed animal, thus covering this wait period anyway.
The fetus only remains alive whilst the mother's heart is beating. A humane cull would surely stop this from happening?
Is there scientific evidence to back up this claim, as I am genuinely interested?
Unless, of course, you are literally pulling the trigger as the hind/doe is giving birth???
Rake Aboot
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Been shooting them with fairly large young in them for decades up here.
Just part of shooting , if it needs done , then liking it is moot
In all that time I’ve never seen a fetus so much as twich when I’ve gutted them.
Just part of shooting , if it needs done , then liking it is moot
In all that time I’ve never seen a fetus so much as twich when I’ve gutted them.
Sol
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Will never forgive this folks that actively argued against the red hind season being extended too be inline with roe does, despite reds being the species that drops the calf quite a significant portion later than roe deer, also perfectly legal down south when I bet they drop there calves sooner with the better weather.....
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