Pro Guides

[6pointer]

Saw this nice yearling buck this morning real promising six points on his first head still in velvet i will be keeping him for a later date 4 years later or so. But would you pro guides still charge a representative buck fee on the likes of this young fella.

Just a picture

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

Not easy to say off a poor photo davie. But the fact that they are PRO means they will charge whats agreed off the menu, thats what makes em pro mate.
The choice is the riflemans not the guide, he tells you, you pull the trigger, you pay. Simples.

 

[Deer Assassin]

Not easy to say off a poor photo davie. But the fact that they are PRO means they will charge whats agreed off the menu, thats what makes em pro mate.
The choice is the riflemans not the guide, he tells you, you pull the trigger, you pay. Simples.

Is it that simple though? Is it always the rifles choice?

I have heard of a practice where pros stalk you into a beast & give you the offer of a shot. If you dont take it quickly enough, spook it or decline the shot then the guide will charge you anyway. Their justification is that they presented you with a shootable beast, but the shot was not taken.

Would you decline to take a beast if you were going to have to pay £50-£75 anyway?

 

[widows son]

So your menu has on it 6 pointers IE bronze, silver and gold, how do you distinguish between them,
I have two of last years kids one is a half decent 6 point buck wouldnt make a medal of any sort ,but has a cracking head his twin brother is totally naff has antlers of 3" but has body size like his twin .

So how if I was into pro stalking could I put them down on he menu ,would it be the kids menu .

Or is this something that you talk to the client about at the time before he pulls the trigger or when it's laying dead at his feet .

All out of interest John no malaise attached the only client work I do is all prerequisite or a
AW stalks the deer have to come out no matter who shoots them me or a AW client .

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

I can only speak for myself.
The medals are guessed, Slightly high as I can give money back if smaller but cannot ask for more if bigger and now dead.
Clients tell me at booking that they only want culls etc or are happy to shoot upto rep.
No charge for no shots.
Occasionally have charged for a miss depending on circumstances.
If a big buck walked out and i hadn't time to assess it and said shoot, it went silver ... my loss his gain, i would require only the 6 pointer fee.(max agreed) (only hppened once in 10 years).
Everyone is emailed the menu and booking is agreement of charges.
I am more annoyed if foxes are not shot at.

 

[6pointer]

John what i am saying is if i was charging a English client to come up here and shoot a beast would i charge him more for a yearling six pointer just because it has six points instead of for. Just watched your video and very good it was but both bucks to me were small cull crap animals would you charge more for the one with six points as opposed to his brother who only has four. At what time would you tell the client this on booking or when your out stalking. Thinking of doing a bit my self in the future. John you can pm with answer if you like.
Ps sorry about the picture he was 200 mtr away un a tree and weather was crap this morning Rain lol

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

No probs Davie. No I actually did a deal with him before he shot as i wanted both beasts. But if not he would have been charged for a x4 pointer (which was a young 5) and a cull price for the other. We get quite alot of bigger youngsters who are full 6 but I never charge more then a cull-/4pointer if not mature. P.S. my charges are the same for everyone including foreigners. 6 point bucks are saved for mature animals easily above the ears.

 

[Ranger22]

If he is a yearling you have no guarantee he will stay in the area. With me not being a trophy hunter i would more than likely have shot him wether he was on forestry ground or my private shoot.
Al

 

[teyhan1]

Pretty much as YDS, except that i don't cull any yearlings that are above the ears. All bucks below the ears are classed as cull. I'm lucky in that there is a high chance in my area that I'll see them again in the future, so I'm happy to let them go off and then come back a few years later. My culling efforts are always concentrated around the does. My cull plans for does always follow:
1. Always cull as many does as bucks
2. If doe with 1x buck fawn leave alone
If doe with 1x buck fawn + 1x doe fawn- cull doe fawn
If doe with 1x or 2x doe fawns- cull them all
I have always found that this will then leave a good representation of age ranges throughout the does and have bucks coming on being provided with the best knowledge of the best feeding areas

It seems to work for me and I have very few bucks that I would call "cull"

 

[Roedinator]

Pretty much as YDS, except that i don't cull any yearlings that are above the ears. All bucks below the ears are classed as cull. I'm lucky in that there is a high chance in my area that I'll see them again in the future, so I'm happy to let them go off and then come back a few years later. My culling efforts are always concentrated around the does. My cull plans for does always follow:
1. Always cull as many does as bucks
2. If doe with 1x buck fawn leave alone
If doe with 1x buck fawn + 1x doe fawn- cull doe fawn
If doe with 1x or 2x doe fawns- cull them all
I have always found that this will then leave a good representation of age ranges throughout the does and have bucks coming on being provided with the best knowledge of the best feeding areas

It seems to work for me and I have very few bucks that I would call "cull"

same as i do here seeing some good animals about this year regards pete .

 

[Mr Lewis]

No wouldn't let them shoot such a promising youngster I don't let them yearlings that's antlers are 4 or more points and are longer than the ears

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I have a simple plan, if it eats my trees it dead, but... if it's eating someone elses trees and I have the rights, I weigh it up and decide if i can get it back to the car first...

I'm in a different boat to full timers on that front as I shoot most of the deer on my grounds.

 

[bogtrotter]

I no longer let by the day, but when I did it was, outing fee, reduction in outing fee if two outings were taken further reduction if it was a week let.

No charge other than outing fee for cull bucks, all yearling's with antler length less than the length of their ears, and all cull bucks of less than 6 points , what would constitute a cull buck was at my discretion


Six pointers up to 300 gms set price
Charges on a sliding scale from 300 gms to 500 gms

Over 500 gms trophy charged on CIC points

All the above + outing fee

 

[6pointer]

Ranger 22 i can see your point and you are correct he will not be tolerate and will be pushed out over the next few weeks of that i am sure .But to cull a prime young animal just because he has been moved in my opinion is short sighted. The animals that are poor quality will be left by the mature buck and will satellite him through the year when it comes to his demise they will be the next generation and that is not good for the gene pool. If you have left a few very good youngsters and they are in the area when the big lad has finally seen his day they will move in and will be better stock. This ground has no cull figures on it Barr my own and there are no trees to protect it is perfect for real deer management as opposed to deer control.
Not everyones opinion on how deer should be managed but its mine. Ps if some one else shoots him then thats a risk i need to take.

 

[teyhan1]

Ranger 22 i can see your point and you are correct he will not be tolerate and will be pushed out over the next few weeks of that i am sure .But to cull a prime young animal just because he has been moved in my opinion is short sighted. The animals that are poor quality will be left by the mature buck and will satellite him through the year when it comes to his demise they will be the next generation and that is not good for the gene pool. If you have left a few very good youngsters and they are in the area when the big lad has finally seen his day they will move in and will be better stock. This ground has no cull figures on it Barr my own and there are no trees to protect it is perfect for real deer management as opposed to deer control.
Not everyones opinion on how deer should be managed but its mine. Ps if some one else shoots him then thats a risk i need to take.

Hurrah, A like mind individual without the short sighted £engraved specs we so often have to read about!!

 

[Ranger22]

if you look at nature you will see when animals hunt they take young ,old and sick prey. Wolves won't have looked at the antlers and said thats to good to kill! And there were still plenty good quality deer left. For the record people who leave bucks to mature, perfectly fine with that, also wear £engraved glasses. They get a client in to shoot it after paying a fee and most likely a trophy fee too so whats the difference between that and me shooting it when its young? They make more money from it than me
Al

 

[eggy s]

Our pricing is:

Yearling x
Below 300g x
Above 300g x

Then Medals:

I would not let anyone shoot that yearling.

When people are after trophies I explain the pricing and find them a suitable beast. It is very hard to accurately judge a head on a live animal, once into the medal territory then my clients understand there is a variable factor in it. Of course I will advise before they pull the trigger but the end decision is theirs. No bang no fee.

 

[mj robson]

Ranger 22 i can see your point and you are correct he will not be tolerate and will be pushed out over the next few weeks of that i am sure .But to cull a prime young animal just because he has been moved in my opinion is short sighted. The animals that are poor quality will be left by the mature buck and will satellite him through the year when it comes to his demise they will be the next generation and that is not good for the gene pool. If you have left a few very good youngsters and they are in the area when the big lad has finally seen his day they will move in and will be better stock. This ground has no cull figures on it Barr my own and there are no trees to protect it is perfect for real deer management as opposed to deer control.
Not everyones opinion on how deer should be managed but its mine. Ps if some one else shoots him then thats a risk i need to take.

Exactly!

I try not to shoot any young bucks with 6 point heads, there are enough spikers and poor 4 pointers to keep me busy.

We've been in a shooting position for 2 different lower end medal class bucks in the last 2 outings, both bucks were only about 3 years old and I wouldn't let them be shot.

 

[glogin]

if you look at nature you will see when animals hunt they take young ,old and sick prey. Wolves won't have looked at the antlers and said thats to good to kill! And there were still plenty good quality deer left. For the record people who leave bucks to mature, perfectly fine with that, also wear £engraved glasses. They get a client in to shoot it after paying a fee and most likely a trophy fee too so whats the difference between that and me shooting it when its young? They make more money from it than me
Al

After seeing some wolves victims I am not too sure about the theory they always take weakest deer...

 

[teyhan1]

if you look at nature you will see when animals hunt they take young ,old and sick prey. Wolves won't have looked at the antlers and said thats to good to kill! And there were still plenty good quality deer left. For the record people who leave bucks to mature, perfectly fine with that, also wear £engraved glasses. They get a client in to shoot it after paying a fee and most likely a trophy fee too so whats the difference between that and me shooting it when its young? They make more money from it than me
Al

Ranger22 your argument is contradictory. What I am saying is that this deer should be left. It is obviously an animal in fine health and would make an excellent addition to any breeding stock.
What I am against is the 'I've paid my money, so I'll shoot it all' brigade. Also the gleeful cheers of "well done mate " when you see another young animal in velvet presented for our praise.
Now don't get me wrong. If you've got cull targets to reach and you don't have any poor anmals left then obvously your going to have to hit out some of your better youngsters but lets face it, most of us do not have any cull targets. We shoot what we want, when we want to.
All I am after is that welfare of the deer and not our lust for a quick buck should be paramount, and that is not to say that you can't shoot a decent or trophy animal.
Take a cattle farmer. He breeds top quality cows. He can't keep all of them. He gets rid of the rubbish, keeps a couple of others hanging around to bring on and then sells the rest. Professional and ameteur stalkers should be the same. Take some of the good ones, leave the best to come on and cull the rest.