Importing expanding missiles from abroad - BASC clarify position

[mperring]

Dear All, I have managed to retrieve an answer about what seemed to be an ambiguous notice to importers which says that an import licence is not needed for "components of ammunition".

http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/BISCor...s-2815-licensing-firearms-ammunition-2012.pdf

Import law requires an import licence for unaccompanied items controlled by the firearms acts, especially section 5 items. The following response from the Import Licensing Branch of the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills clarifies that a firearm certificate may be used in lieu of an import licence to import expanding missiles.

UK Border Agency/Customs are aware of this stance and have the facility to the check importers certificates on the National Firearms Licensing Management System, so don’t think you can import missiles of any old caliber!!!

"Section 5(1A)(f) relates to the complete round of expanding ammunition whereas expanding projectiles fall within 5(1A)(g). The notice is correct when it states that an importer does not need to apply to this branch for a specific import licence for component parts of ammunition.

We have had discussions with the UK Border Force who have confirmed that the personal importation concession is applicable to goods shipped to the recipient. They view the domestic authority of the recipient in effect as the import licence.

Yours sincerely
Import Licensing Branch | Department for Business, Innovation and Skills |
Queensway House | West Precinct | Billingham | TS23 2NF | enquiries.ilb@bis.gsi.gov.uk | | Fax: 01642 364269 | www.bis.gov.uk"

 

[jon2]

Very useful information. Thanks for posting.

Plus one to BASC.

However, how do we stand on ordering expanding bullets from abroad with reference to the fact that the Act states they must be entered onto the individual's certificate in accordance with your associated posts on your other thread (whatever it was entitled)?

 

[timbrayford]

Just to be clear on this, is it lawful to get them posted from abroad if you have the correct quantity & calibre authorised on your FAC? atb Tim

 

[ndt man]

thats mad i can inport but i cant get them posted from say reloading supplies down the road ? or am i reading this wrong.

 

[al4x1]

thats right for the simple reason its illegal to post them within this country but if you send them from a country where it is legal to post its fine. Nice its clarified and that people that have done it were fine all along.

 

[auquhollie]

It certainly wouldn't save me much money though as i am only aloud to buy 300 of each call at any one time. By the time shipping + VAT + Handling fee it would likelly be more expensive.

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[jon2]

With the costs of motoring these days I would say there is a fair chance it would still be cost effective.

It is also a case of availability. It is sometimes difficult to obtain certain bullet types. I have seen on Cliff's there are a few types that have been difficult for me to obtain in the past and yet they show as a stock item on his site.

 

[mereside]

It certainly wouldn't save me much money though as i am only aloud to buy 300 of each call at any one time. By the time shipping + VAT + Handling fee it would likelly be more expensive.

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not if you have friends of the same calibre and you club together and split you will save quite abit i have 6 friends all with the same cal i think its time now to do some ordering as we also use same bullets/ loads, atb wayne. ps just on your 300 alone you would definately save some money ,why chuck it away when you dont need to . atb wayne

 

[Yorkie]

Not sure how much is saved once the US export license is paid for. As for US shops that will export without the license remember that once the Authorities over there catch up with them they have your name and address. A trip to Disneyland then could get interesting. Is this train of thought flawed?
Thanks to Matt to clarifying things this end.

Yorkie.

 

[lister]

mereside
you can import for your use if on your fac but to import for someone else could get messy
if you have 1000 on your ticket and give sell 200 to your mates could be classed as a dealer

 

[griff]

For those living in rural areas, being able to receive expanding bullet heads through the post is a god send.The cost of fuel and your own time, the bullets from the US could be twice the price and still be cost effective...
I fear this is why there are so many people using proprietary target bullets on game!

 

[mereside]

lister i would not be selling them you are only taking your allocated allowance so what is the issue . but even to get your limit upped to buy in the max amount for shipping across you will save a good amount for it to be worthwhile and take into account your travelling costs to collect from an rfd you will be quids in my local is 40 miles and does not stock what i want so is a waste anyway

 

[ndt man]

right then somone send me the address of any one who will ship it will be inports for me from now on .

 

[griff]

cliffsgunsmithing.com

 

[lister]

if you have aquire 400 on your ticket and keep 500 you must not exced 500
500 max you cannot order more when the ups man hands the parcel you are in posesion the 500 includs ammo
please remenber www means world wide web

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Dear All, I have managed to retrieve an answer about what seemed to be an ambiguous notice to importers which says that an import licence is not needed for "components of ammunition".

http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/BISCor...s-2815-licensing-firearms-ammunition-2012.pdf

Import law requires an import licence for unaccompanied items controlled by the firearms acts, especially section 5 items. The following response from the Import Licensing Branch of the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills clarifies that a firearm certificate may be used in lieu of an import licence to import expanding missiles.

UK Border Agency/Customs are aware of this stance and have the facility to the check importers certificates on the National Firearms Licensing Management System, so don’t think you can import missiles of any old caliber!!!

"Section 5(1A)(f) relates to the complete round of expanding ammunition whereas expanding projectiles fall within 5(1A)(g). The notice is correct when it states that an importer does not need to apply to this branch for a specific import licence for component parts of ammunition.

We have had discussions with the UK Border Force who have confirmed that the personal importation concession is applicable to goods shipped to the recipient. They view the domestic authority of the recipient in effect as the import licence.

Yours sincerely
Import Licensing Branch | Department for Business, Innovation and Skills |
Queensway House | West Precinct | Billingham | TS23 2NF | enquiries.ilb@bis.gsi.gov.uk | | Fax: 01642 364269 | www.bis.gov.uk"

Unfortunately, another document was issued recently though that confirms you do require a license closing any previous loophole.. http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/BISCor...s-2815-licensing-firearms-ammunition-2012.pdf

But with a license (apply for ILB1)... it's all good!

http://www.bis.gov.uk/policies/trade-policy-unit/importing-into-uk/import-licensing-forms

matt, I told you that when I put the SAME info up on the importing expanding ammo thread 5 days ago with the links so anyone could download the license application form to return by email. yeh thanks for reading my post

 

[mereside]

lister i get all that if you get 4lb of bullets as one batch as i think thats max per package for the 300 win i can get almost three boxes for the price of two here for partitions if i go for sst or similar the price difference is even greater and for 4lb in bullets the delivery works out at a tenner from cliffs

 

[JMS906]

Very useful information. Thanks for posting.

Plus one to BASC.

However, how do we stand on ordering expanding bullets from abroad with reference to the fact that the Act states they must be entered onto the individual's certificate in accordance with your associated posts on your other thread (whatever it was entitled)?

You enter them on your own certificate upon receipt, and put the name of the supplier in the relevant column.

-JMS

 

[Dalua]

matt, I told you that when I put the SAME info up on the importing expanding ammo thread 5 days ago with the links so anyone could download the license application form to return by email. yeh thanks for reading my post

I'm not sure I follow.

The advice from the Import Licensing people seems to be that no specific import licence is needed when the S5 bullets are shipped to a UK recipient who is authorised by his FAC to possess them.

Are you suggesting that a specific import licence nevertheless is actually required?

 

[Paul 600]

You enter them on your own certificate upon receipt, and put the name of the supplier in the relevant column.

-JMS

you do not need to add bullets to your FAC, only rounds.