DSC1 Surprises or Expectations

nun_hunter

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Hi all,

I have my DSC1 booked with BASC in Tunbridge at the end of February and was after some advice or pointers from people who have done theirs (not necessarily at this location). I've read all the paperwork and been revising the course data so I'm fairly confident of what to expect over the four days but I thought I would ask if there was anything others found out on their DSC1 that they weren't expecting. Were there things that you hadn't prepared for that came up, kit you didn't realise you needed, stuff you expected but then didn't happen etc? The course booklet is pretty comprehensive so I'm after any of the surprises people encountered that they felt maybe weren't covered, both good and bad.

I thought this would be helpful for me and any others who have theirs booked. I plan to update the thread with anything I find out in Feb after doing mine.
 
Hi,
I did my dsc1 up here in Scotland just over a week ago. The only advice I would give after mine is take a good look at the deer identification photos. Some of the lighting/angles and scenes that the photos are taken in can be a bit deceiving until looking really closely. For example there was one photo of some fallow buck fawns which I almost put down as does because the penile sheath was kinda disguised by the grass. Other than that I didnt have any other issues and if you have been revising all the questions it'll be a breeze.
 
If you have done some home work don't worry. The safety walk-around had me worried but they are not out to trick you and may use extra questions to draw out what you know. Identification tripped up a couple of people on mine, just look twice and then make your choice and don't worry about what others do.
Enjoy it - I found it very interesting and enjoyable :)
 
Assuming you've identified the correct answers to the multiple choice questions it should be fairly easy to squirrel them away for on the day instant recall in the same way we learnt our Times Tables.

The known unknowns are the deer ID slides so as already mentioned take time to study as much as you can. I also recall being handed a laser pen during one lesson to point out the aiming mark on awkwardly angled deer which was good fun and comforting to know there are instances when neck shots are acceptable!

You might also wish to rehearse your safety related narratives which will help with any nervousness when meeting the in-the-field Assessor.

Lastly, ensure your rifle is perfectly zeroed before the test shoot and spend time practising the course of fire. I spent a morning at Bisley the day before the course and shot the series several times at an aiming circle half the size of DMQ's and from double sticks. Couldn't believe it when told I could have shot the test from a tripod!

Good luck

K
 
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although its an assessment try to enjoy the experience... sounds a bit airy fairy i know but i really enjoyed the "learning" and kept that with me for the assessment. do your research and revision and you will be suprised how easy it is!!!!
 
n-h - a great thread to post, a very good question to raise in my view and we'd be keen to read the responses.

Calgeo coped with being surprised at a. how good looking I was and b. how impressive the 'power band' is in reality*

* only one of these statements if true :-|

Hard to comment from this side of the equation, but one theme that does come across is the 'helpful mate syndrome'. Any provider should be only to happy to answer any queries - and I mean any. Its your time, money and effort - there are no silly questions. In that way you get it from the horses mouth so to speak.

We've had a few turn up - having ignored all the guidance notes and followed directions from pals such as - ' dont bother going through the manual in detail, they only ever ask the easy questions' and 'dont learn the safety questions because you just do what you normally do and its fine'. Any suggestion implying there is less work to put in has an obvious attractiveness, but it results in the bad kind of surprise!

Good luck - as has been said ( and agree sounds a bit funny and easier said than done ) try to enjoy the process - you get much more from it that way. Let us know how it goes.
 
Lastly, ensure your rifle is perfectly zeroed before the test shoot and spend time practising the course of fire.

Definitely worth practising the shooting test.

While the test isn't that difficult, you have the added pressure of your fellow students watching you.
 
Nothing worse than surprises in what is an already stressful situation yet I’m reliably informed there are still candidates turning up with a rifle that has yet to be zeroed. Not the best of starts or one likely to endear you to the RCO!
 
I was really struggling with the deer ID module in particular the differences between Red and Sika and to ID roe bucks and does correctly in winter after casting.
Secondly I have seen people turn up for the marksman assessment who had never shot a rifle before, used the RCO's rifle and passed the test first time - so you shouldn't worry too much about that part, it is not too hard to shoot within a 6" target at 100Yrds even for novices.
My impression was the course leaders wanted everybody to pass and helped out those people who were struggling with specific issues.
 
Cheers for all the pointers so far guys. I'm definitely doing my homework but unfortunately I'm having to use their rifle as I've only recently got my scope on my new .243 and all the land I currently shoot is only cleared for shooting from "an elevated position" not the best place to be zeroing a rifle. I was supposed to have got another farm cleared last month for CF but due to a recent bereavement I've had to put the new place on hold until things settle down.
 
I also used the examiners rifle, with no problems at all. Above all enjoy the exerience, the time flies
 
I also used the examiners rifle, with no problems at all. Above all enjoy the exerience, the time flies

Me too, the estate rifle was zeroed bang on for 100yds and worked perfectly. It was one less thing to worry about on the day.
 
Many peole are nervous and they go blank.

Just remember that you are doing this because you want to, and be open to new ideas.
There was loads of information/tips from my course tutor, which you could only get from years of stalking, and it made everything I had read up fall into place.

So long as you have done your home work relax and keep your ears open.
 
Only one I heard about and can't confirm if actually true. On the safety test there were 4 roe deer silhouette targets placed in various places, on seeing them the question shoot or not shoot & why. Ok looking for safe back stop, ricochet hazard etc. story goes one with perfect backstop "shoot" answer no it's a buck and out of season?
Probably just a scare story but would impress the examiner if you pointed this fact out
Wingy
 
Hi. Lots of good advice been given here, the main being that you can be assured that the DSC test is not there to catch you out. Obviously I will mention learning aids such as my website www.dsctraining.org but here's a bit more. Look at pictures of deer. Say out loud what you can see which helps you to identify what it is eg, "Light coloured metatarsal gland on hock - Sika" say that for every identification point you can see. Then, when you do the test, it will be easier to get it right. On your safety walkaround, be more obvious about safety than you perhaps would be in the field normally. In my test, whenever I moved the rifle eg to cross a stream or check if the safety catch was still on, I said out loud "muzzle awareness at all times". OK, that made it bleedin obvious for the examiner, but it also made sure that I actually DID it! Strangely, I sometimes get a little voice in my head while I'm out stalking saying just that ..... but should I admit to hearing voices???? LOL Relax, enjoy, revise, pass. Good luck, keep us informed.
 
Steve - we've spoken about those 'voices in your head' before ;)

Shooting -

Things vary from course location to location. Usually we do the shoot test one on one, but if the centre works well then the effort is made to foster a spirit of all candidates being on the same team and bolstering each other.

After years of doing this, I can honestly say that the best shooting performers tend to be those that never shot before the course and trust the advice from the instructor at the practise session.

If using the centre's rifle then the stress should be more on them - to provide you with a good tool for the job - and everyone in trade that I know takes that obligation seriously.

If you have a rifle but no easy way to use it, then ( with proper thought to safety and neighbours etc ) never under estimate the value of dry firing; or even just practising the various positions.

Everyone is different, but the most common pointers are -

Prone - ( assuming on rucksack or bipod ) place non trigger hand at the toe of the stock and get a good comfy arm position - rather than have the hand forward of the trigger on the stock. With a bit of practice with arm position you can really lock in a solid hold. Occassionally a bit of pipe insulation over the sling at the rear swivel - about 6" worth can help - as by grabbing this it acts like a rear 'sniper sock'.

Sitting/ Kneeling - the lower you are the better. Sitting tends to ace kneeling. If your bipod allows or you use sticks the front of the rifle is taken care of. Wobble comes from the shoulder/stock side of the equation. If you can get the elbow on that side ( ie right for r/h shooters ) in contact with something - knee, thigh etc - even lightly - stability really improves.

Standing - if you can use sticks and use quad sticks at that. If not, dont over linger. We are all conditioned these days to rock steady prone/rested sight pictures. The swaying and wobbly free hand hold can come as quite a shock and the more you fight to get it rock steady still the worse it gets.

Just remember you are trying to hit an area not a pin point. Dont fight movement - direct it. Bring your sight picture down from above or up from below steadily. I think the best is from below as the natural check as you press the trigger helps things - but try what works best for you. As the cross hairs reach the desired target area press the trigger.


Safety Walk through -

Seasons are not tested as part of this. The shoot/no shoot cut outs can be male or female - the Assessor as part of their standard chat should highlight it is the situation you are assessing not the sex etc. The critical thing is identify the safety ( or otherwise of the shot ) - there's no marks deducted for mentioning seasons etc if you wish though!

It is the safety test that benefits most if you have been out already - in which case you can visualise things and just talk through that mental image as you replay it. This tends to be much easier to recall than simply learning lists etc. The Assessment form allows comments by the Assessor and as standard I make note of whether the candidate was speaking from the 'heart ' or 'mind'.

Deer ID

The most common issue with the ID pictures is leaping in. You glimpse the animal and decide what it is. Human nature kicks in and you then spend time trying to validate your first opinion. Try to pace yourself and look at the key areas - form an opinion rather than jump to one. Once you got that in the bag then by all means look at the wider animal and not least the setting - not many CWD's on a bleak heather /snow swept hillside etc.

Steve really did hit the nail - no, not voices :doh: - relax and enjoy!
 
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