Different make of cases with same load & bullet what effect ?

[Paul at Fechan]

there's nothing sloppy, unsafe or sub standard amount my reloads. You just can't take it that all your anal practice can't make a bullet that's actually better in terms of performance than mine. When I say performance I'm talking about hunting, not punching paper in the enless chase of some form of perfection. Sure if I take all my brass of one type and batch them I could improve accuracy by ooh maybe what? quarter inch of my sloppy sub inch group but why??

I'm glad the time you spent on your reloading is worth it to you. Get a grip, who's agressive? you said my practice and product was basically crap and unsafe... how'd you take that mate?

 

[see it shoot it]

there's nothing sloppy, unsafe or sub standard amount my reloads. You just can't take it that all your anal practice can't make a bullet that's actually better in terms of performance than mine. When I say performance I'm talking about hunting, not punching paper in the enless chase of some form of perfection. Sure if I take all my brass of one type and batch them I could improve accuracy by ooh maybe what? quarter inch of my sloppy sub inch group but why??

I'm glad the time you spent on your reloading is worth it to you. Get a grip, who's agressive? you said my practice and product was basically crap and unsafe... how'd you take that mate?

of course they will be batter
1.consistancy
2.safety
3.accuaracy
4.confidence
as I said before mate,you crack on if your happy but don't tell others especially newbies what you do is right.
your thread here http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/61835-Scary-variation-in-308-case-volumes!! really says it all

 

[bogwelly]

Just had experience of this, somebody gave me some brand new unfired.270 cases which i set about reloading with the same load i have used for 20+yrs i have only fired 5 every one has a severly flattened primer and 2 of them have a split on the main body of the case about 20 mill long. I have been using this load for that long i had fired those 5 before i even thought to look at a case!!
Needless to say they are all going in the bin and i'm back to my old once fireds
the load by the way 54gr r19 (max on chart is 57.5) 130 sirrea game king cci 200 primer

 

[Simjim33]

I wouldent take some of the coments from posters on this fine deer stalking forum, personaly Paul. They shoot deer, but only if it's a picture of one that they have stapled to a target at the range!

The subject of reloading on this, a deer stalking forum has seemed to attracted "those kind" of reloaders.

 

[charlieboy-shooter]

So is this a fair conclusion from all the answers ?

Ideally to get the safest, very best performance & accuracy I would, use only one make of brass preferably the same batch, but I may use different makes of brass as long as I do not overcharge the case to exceed maximum pressure. So as I do not know how any of my cases will perform relative to pressure and one may ultimately be better than another, to work out which one/s is the best I'm thinking. As long as I say

1) Use the Hodgdon charge information and from this
​2) Decide on my preferred bullet weight (Gr) and powder.
3) Resize several of each different makes of brass, but trim all to the same length, say 0.010" below max case length.
4) using the Hodgdon, starting load powder grains weights ( or something very near the starting charge) load all the cartridges.
5) Seat all bullets to the C.O.L stated in the Hodgdon info.
6) Fire bullets, noting which is which. See if there is a noticeable difference in grouping.
7) Check used cases for signs of excessive pressure. Discard that make if so.
8) If one make stands out then proceed with this make maybe increasing load weight slightly to see if group improves or carry on with different makes,

As long as I stay away from stated maximum load. Once I get a grouping I am satisfied with and the fired case shows no signs of stress. Either stop at that (may be using more than 1 make or case but also may have discounted a certain make/s.)
9) Reload only these cases there after i.e the ones which give me the best consistency.

Some of the above may sound simplistic or stupid but as I have only fired factory loads and do not know how accurate development, home loads are, I'm just thinking I may get acceptable accuracy / grouping from one or more.

What I will say is shooting foxes at night off sticks, whilst I have been walking around is I'm sure the biggest reason for my inaccuracy. But I do ultimately want the load to be, firstly safe, but the best I can get it at a reasonable price, with the added satisfaction that I constructed that load.
​Thanks

 

[see it shoot it]

I wouldent take some of the coments from posters on this fine deer stalking forum, personaly Paul. They shoot deer, but only if it's a picture of one that they have stapled to a target at the range!

The subject of reloading on this, a deer stalking forum has seemed to attracted "those kind" of reloaders.

PMSL all that from a man whos only been playing at just 2 years

 

[Simjim33]

PMSL all that from a man whos only been playing at just 2 years

We can meet at bisley if you like!
If you can shoot better than me with my rifle you win!
Factory is what is fed to my rifle now.
Happy with that?

Im thinking not!

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Cheers SJ,


MY other post SISI about case volumes shows more experience than you credit me for, recognising that the variation in volume made a new mono metal bullet choice unsuitable for the mix of brass that was otherwise suitable for use with the lead core 150gr. But, by then investigating the variation I found the best brand of case that will be used for this bullet without the need to lower an already moderate charge for this weight of bullet. Actually for the record I could have used any case for the new bullet I just didn't want a load lighly compressed that's all it was in the heavier brass brands, sorry about that.

I'm really sorry I shoot that well with my sloppy reloads there is no need to try and improve the accuracy of them.

 

[owdnorthener]

I started reading this post, as I am new to reloading and am trying to gather enough information to point me in the right direction.

I have just loaded some 130 all told and for the last 30 have used different brass to see for myself if I can tell any change in POI. I hope soon to be out trying them.

Shame this post is getting personal now, but thanks for the variety of info, which I hope to be adding to pretty soon.

Happy shooting everyone. Alan

 

[DCG]

I started reading this post, as I am new to reloading and am trying to gather enough information to point me in the right direction.

I have just loaded some 130 all told and for the last 30 have used different brass to see for myself if I can tell any change in POI. I hope soon to be out trying them.

Shame this post is getting personal now, but thanks for the variety of info, which I hope to be adding to pretty soon.

Happy shooting everyone. Alan

Hi Alan,
As you can see everyone has there own ideas, best advice is to take in as much as you can and try it, if it doesnt work for you dont do it.
I would say that most of the people on here reload to try to get best accuracy from ther guns and therefore eliminate one variable in the quest to improve there shooting. If the motivation was purely cost we'd all be shooting Privi.
From a safety standpoint, I tend to adhere to a strict routine when reloading which requires that if I change any of the components I will rework the load, not as much perhaps as if it was a completely new load, but at least drop the charge 5% and work back up.
Using the same headstamp in given loads is best practice, but its definetely not the only practice.
dcg

 

[see it shoot it]

Cheers SJ,


MY other post SISI about case volumes shows more experience than you credit me for, recognising that the variation in volume made a new mono metal bullet choice unsuitable for the mix of brass that was otherwise suitable for use with the lead core 150gr. But, by then investigating the variation I found the best brand of case that will be used for this bullet without the need to lower an already moderate charge for this weight of bullet. Actually for the record I could have used any case for the new bullet I just didn't want a load lighly compressed that's all it was in the heavier brass brands, sorry about that.

I'm really sorry I shoot that well with my sloppy reloads there is no need to try and improve the accuracy of them.

no need to be sorry,if it works for you and your happy that's great but again as I said its not the best practice or advice to give to a newbie

 

[see it shoot it]

We can meet at bisley if you like!
If you can shoot better than me with my rifle you win!
Factory is what is fed to my rifle now.
Happy with that?

Im thinking not!

win what ?? a cigar I have no need to step back in time and shoot an inconsistent rifle and ammo,I progessed form that many many years ago,looks like your reloading results didn't go to well seeing you have gone back to factory ammo.maybe a lesson in the correct procedure to produce good ammo is needed,feel free to pop in any time I wont even charge you

 

[Simjim33]

win what ?? a cigar I have no need to step back in time and shoot an inconsistent rifle and ammo,I progessed form that many many years ago,looks like your reloading results didn't go to well seeing you have gone back to factory ammo.maybe a lesson in the correct procedure to produce good ammo is needed,feel free to pop in any time I wont even charge you

well ok. I dont smoke but if thats what you want, then my brother has some nice cuban cigars he recently bought back. I'm sure he will let me have one for this. If I win you can buy me sausage egg and chips at the national clay centre cafe.

I will take you up on that offer of instruction I would love to see a good reloader at work. PM me your address and contact details and we can set a date!

Back to my challenge.

Shame you dont want to take me up. After thinking about it, We could do some good for a couple of charities.

We could sell tickets to people. The proceeds of which could go to a charity of mine and one of yours. Mine will be the RNLI. you could choose what ever charity you liked.

As it is only our respective prides at stake and my rifle is so inaccurate. Let's use yours. As you hate factory supply me with your load data. I will make some up, you could make some up. Then we could put them in a non see through bag and take turns in picking out a round each.

Come on SISI what have you got to lose? Its just a bit of fun that could benefit a two good causes. I figure you will have a very nice cigar on me anyhow as I only have 2 years experience!!!!! Or have I?

 

[User00003]

I think a true test and duel would be as to who can actually stalk and shoot a deer from within 50yds!

 

[Simjim33]

I think a true test and duel would be as to who can actually stalk and shoot a deer from within 50yds!

Yep true that!

But theres a snag here!
I dont think SISI does much stalking. So his ground might be limited. His kind offer to tutor me reloading. I dont think will extent to having me on his permissions.
I for sure won't do it on mine.

​Plus how do we sell tickets so the charities could benefit? It would be a whiteness stalk and we all know what AW's are like

Good idea though!

 

[see it shoot it]

I think a true test and duel would be as to who can actually stalk and shoot a deer from within 50yds!

been there done that too many times

 

[bewsher500]

We could sell tickets to people. The proceeds of which could go to a charity of mine and one of yours. Mine will be the RNLI. you could choose what ever charity you liked.

As it is only our respective prides at stake and my rifle is so inaccurate. Let's use yours. As you hate factory supply me with your load data. I will make some up, you could make some up. Then we could put them in a non see through bag and take turns in picking out a round each.

Come on SISI what have you got to lose? Its just a bit of fun that could benefit a two good causes. I figure you will have a very nice cigar on me anyhow as I only have 2 years experience!!!!! Or have I?

cracking idea
i would pay to see that!
​

 

[Paul at Fechan]

been there done that too many times

good for you... glad the ammo makes the difference at that range

I'm up for a competition with my lucky dips.... through a stalking rifle from all positions, highseat, prone, sitting, freehand and just so I can rip you all flip handed.

 

[see it shoot it]

Yep true that!

But theres a snag here!
I dont think SISI does much stalking. So his ground might be limited. His kind offer to tutor me reloading. I dont think will extent to having me on his permissions.
I for sure won't do it on mine.

​Plus how do we sell tickets so the charities could benefit? It would be a whiteness stalk and we all know what AW's are like

Good idea though!

"I don't do much stalking" if that's your opinion mate that's fine,theres one thing Ive done far more than you the debate is about the difference in rifle brass batches and not whos done what or who can shoot free hand or not,or have I missed a few pages if you want a challenge surely it should be bring me your rifle and I will make it shoot consistantly.

 

[Paul at Fechan]

ok, let's be adult and on topic... What performance from a stalking rifle would you expect to then consider the ammo consistant? Are you considering raw accuracy as a group size or a more uniformed consideration of all round manufacture and velocity for measurable down range work at distance for dialing in?

My obvious concern is that a factory finished stalking rifle is not in the same league as AI, Rangemaster or high spec custom. There's a point where the rifle is simply not capable of printing the potential of your ammunition and you can become frustrated. That's why quite a few guys custom build and really focus on the extreme end of performance a bit like where you are coming from. Older rifles that are starting to let go through wear can be sole destroying if you want to chase accuracy but that where a high percentage of new stalkers start. I don't want to try and push my accuracy because I can put my hand on my heart and say I'd could do better that my rifle would let me.

But.... when a Rangemaster becomes mine, it's game on