First Aid Required.

[1066kieran]

This is just a general observation and not aimed at anyone. Having read one or two adverts on here and elsewhere for syndicate places I see a few are asking that you have first aid all we'll and good however all the first aid courses I've done have been to administer first aid on others,not very helpful when stalking is predominantly carried out alone. Two I've not yet been on a course that does anything but tell you not to use torniquay???? Sorry for spelling. However I know of at least one stalker whos life was saved this year by their use when he slipped with his knife and went through his wrist. Lose a hand or bleed to death he chose to lose his hand and is still here as is his hand as it happens. I've also never been taken through dealing with self inflicted gun shot wounds either ona first aid course.
cheers kieran

 

[Jimbo 30 06]

Yes Kieran you are correct in what you say but it will become the requirement that we have the Emergency First Aid at Work certificate. The Red Cross do the course it's one day costs £130-00 and lasts for three years.

Jimbo

 

[baguio]

If you were in the military and deploying you would have done a course covering the use of tourniquets and may have been issued with one of these too http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Military-...ealth_Beauty_First_Aid_ET&hash=item5af127ea6a Not many civvy first aid courses in the UK need to be too concerned with gun shot wounds but after this http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...-dies-after-tragic-shooting-accident.21027159 maybe we should all carry a good tourniquet?
All the best Baguio

 

[Monkey Spanker]

I would think most of us already carry tourniquets without even knowing it!
Binocular strap, trouser belt, rifle sling, dog lead, drag rope, bore snake, pull-through, etc.....
Anything you can put around a limb, put a stick through, twist and tighten. Job done!
MS

 

[baguio]

I would think most of us already carry tourniquets without even knowing it!
Binocular strap, trouser belt, rifle sling, dog lead, drag rope, bore snake, pull-through, etc.....
Anything you can put around a limb, put a stick through, twist and tighten. Job done!
MS

Agreed MS and I'm surprised that the poor guy bled out without someone getting something good and tight around his leg to stop the bleeding. However, these military issue tourniquets are very good and can be applied one handed quite easily. They're also very light and handy to carry in your bum bag. Not necessarily so easy to apply one of the diy ones that you describe to yourself and tight enough to stop the bleeding when in a panic, in pain and going faint!

 

[1066kieran]

Jimbo I have Emergency First Aid at work but it is by its very nature very generic and has little relevence to a stalker as you are mostly a sole worker inessence. As i say the wound i'm bothered about when out on my own is one with massive blood lose. I have tampons and pads plus a tourniquet in my stalking first aid along with the usual suspects

Kieran

 

[reelme]

just done my offshore first aid refresher and was advised that applying a tourniquet is no longer recognized and shouldn't be done! only direct pressure and/or elevation this has changed since my last refresher 3 years ago when it was still used! but apparently they are reviewing the first aid procedures again and are on about re-introducing it! so i would suggest anybody thinking about doing first aid should do a course and learn the limitations of first aid because even saving someones life at the cost of a limb could end you up getting a no win no fee case against you!!

 

[Monkey Spanker]

We used to get taught the same in the military, that a tourniquet should never be used! (Theory being that toxins build up on other side and are then released around body when tourniquet is removed).
However, if you've already lost a limb or would die anyway from loss of blood, quite frankly, what have you got to lose other than your life? The military now issue them! Trying to stop arterial bleeding with direct pressure and elevation on your own would be as much use as plugging the hole in the Titanic with your arse!
MS

 

[reelme]

couldn't agree more!
​ like i say they are on about re-introducing it again and personally if the situation required a tourniquet i for one would apply one!

 

[Apache]

I have said it many times on here - you can stop almost any blood loss with pressure. I've dealt with a number of severed femoral arteries.

You are better getting pressure on the wound than faffing about with a tourniquet. They are not really designed for self application. Too much faffing about. You'll lose a lot of blood finding it, setting it etc.

Pressure, pressure, pressure.

 

[1066kieran]

We used to get taught the same in the military, that a tourniquet should never be used! (Theory being that toxins build up on other side and are then released around body when tourniquet is removed).
However, if you've already lost a limb or would die anyway from loss of blood, quite frankly, what have you got to lose other than your life? The military now issue them! Trying to stop arterial bleeding with direct pressure and elevation on your own would be as much use as plugging the hole in the Titanic with your arse!
MS

Mint lol

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Jimbo I have Emergency First Aid at work but it is by its very nature very generic and has little relevence to a stalker as you are mostly a sole worker inessence. As i say the wound i'm bothered about when out on my own is one with massive blood lose. I have tampons and pads plus a tourniquet in my stalking first aid along with the usual suspects

Kieran

There have been so many courses offered on here lately specifically catering for what you are concerned about Kieran, why not book a place.

Atb

Terry

 

[1066kieran]

I have said it many times on here - you can stop almost any blood loss with pressure. I've dealt with a number of severed femoral arteries.

You are better getting pressure on the wound than faffing about with a tourniquet. They are not really designed for self application. Too much faffing about. You'll lose a lot of blood finding it, setting it etc.

Pressure, pressure, pressure.

No good applying pressure to your femoral arterie and hoping your dog will get your phone out or radio and call for help. How does one apply pressure when you have passed out either due to blood lose or shock? I for one will still carry a tourniquet.
Kieran

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

No good applying pressure to your femoral arterie and hoping your dog will get your phone out or radio and call for help. How does one apply pressure when you have passed out either due to blood lose or shock? I for one will still carry a tourniquet.
Kieran

When you pass out because of the unbearable pain of applying it has caused you to loose even more blood lets hope your dog will add a few more turns

 

[Monkey Spanker]

I have said it many times on here - you can stop almost any blood loss with pressure. I've dealt with a number of severed femoral arteries.

You are better getting pressure on the wound than faffing about with a tourniquet. They are not really designed for self application. Too much faffing about. You'll lose a lot of blood finding it, setting it etc.

Pressure, pressure, pressure.

So, do you think you could apply constant pressure to your own femural artery? Whilst dealing with the true shock and trying to summon help?
You will know where the pressure points are to stem bleeding, most won't. I reckon if you severe your femural whilst alone you'd be pretty ****ed either way.

 

[Apache]

Has anyone ever thought of the pressures involved? 'Normal' blood pressure 120mmHg. Add a bit for the adrenaline and 150mmHg converts to less than 3psi! I can urinate with more pressure.

I amputated a cats leg this week. Had been hit by a car. Femur smashed to pieces and with the clot and haemorrhage the anatomy was distorted. During my dissection I cut clean through the femoral artery. Blood spurted ~3m onto the wall. Holding a swab with gentle finger pressure stopped all bleeding whilst I clamped then ligated.

If I severed my femoral artery I would not be thinking it was a life ending injury. I carry a decent pressure dressing, that would be plenty. With that on I could potentially still walk. Ever used a tourniquet - it is agony. I challenge anyone to apply a CAT to themself and tighten until they lose their radial pulse. See how long you can bear it.

Great if on the battle field and stand on an improvised explosive device and lose a leg or two. Designed to be quickly applied to your buddy not for self treatment. I do agree that a tourniquet could save a life but it is far from first choice treatment. Suggesting that is the case could be very poor information to someone one day in a desperate situation.

 

[1066kieran]

Like wise telling people never to use then as you are on most courses could also cost life such as the young lad the other day . They probably didn't have a presure dressing but could of affected a tourniquet perhaps with a lace or rifle sling. And the out come may of been different.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Like wise telling people never to use then as you are on most courses could also cost life such as the young lad the other day . They probably didn't have a presure dressing but could of affected a tourniquet perhaps with a lace or rifle sling. And the out come may of been different.

Fantasy what ifs have no place when refering to the tragic passing away of a young person.

Are you aware if either had any First Aid training, ex- military etc?

Regardless it makes no diference, let us know which of the Remote First Aid Courses you take and how you get on..

 

[dave1372]

...I am sure I read an article on a first aid course for shooters in one of the shooting mags a few months ago, I just can't remember which magazine.
The guy that wrote the article said it was pretty good as the instructor was demonstrating how difficult it can be to apply bandages etc when you have blood getting everywhere...apparently he used washing liquid to simulate the blood!

 

[Gingwa]

Tourniquets are a great piece of kit, the majority of people would be able to administer them!

Which is great, but its knowing what to do when its been applied, with regards to relieving the pressure or if the bleeding has stopped.