First Aid Required.

[RickoShay]

Jesus, many more threads like this and people will be too scared to go out....

Nearly forgot, not many on here do get out

Agree, but folk do ask these questions...
I haven't heard of any stalkers getting into such a state, so guess we're pretty sensible when we're not searching for moss...

 

[widows son]

Agree, but folk do ask these questions...
I haven't heard of any stalkers getting into such a state, so guess we're pretty sensible when we're not searching for moss...

Education is required . You as a infantry soldier need to live out of the box improvise a little when and where it is required the very reason it is called medical science

Sphagnum moss has and is still used in the medical world to this day, as are leaches and maggots
the stuff that was use years ago that has came back into fashion, intravenous fluids as system developed in the mid 50s and never used is back in fashion EZ IO Intraosseous fastest way to apply fluids now used extensively by E M Tecs and combat medics .

 

[RickoShay]

Education is required . You as a infantry soldier need to live out of the box improvise a little when and where it is required the very reason it is called medical science

Sphagnum moss has and is still used in the medical world to this day, as are leaches and maggots
the stuff that was use years ago that has came back into fashion, intravenous fluids as system developed in the mid 50s and never used is back in fashion EZ IO Intraosseous fastest way to apply fluids now used extensively by E M Tecs and combat medics .

There you go again, what's with the personal?
WHO is going to look for ancient remedies, identify them, make up the pulse and apply it when they are p--sing blood everywhere? I can tell you now it 'aint Bear Gryls survival in the back woods, it's 'Joe Stalker' who has the opportunity to take useful kit with him, he doesn't need to know about sphagnum moss or it's herbal qualities, less the e-coli or parasites that could get mixed up in the process. I don't need to search for the science on google, because I've been there inside and outside of that box.
Your goodself, any service whatsoever?

PS I genuinely thought you were joking along with the thread when you brought up moss, but now am really ROFL.
What about sporotrichosis, which Apache will be very familiar with(as well as aforementioned e-coli, parasites, tetnus etc)?

 

[1066kieran]

Yes not a brilliant idea dragging one's self around the woodland floor bleeding to death looking for moss and perhaps a paper bark tree "Australian" I know for a bandage to hold it on. Or as I prefer be a little pro active and take a first aid kit
with you.

 

[Moray Outfitting]

Not a moderator ( too good looking ), but I do think such threads are valid and have a place.

In the process there is much I dont personally agree with - but good debate isnt necessarily about concensus! And the discussion is useful.

But, please guys, dont go the personal route. It just detracts from the whole.

For what its worth I've used - on people and at time myself - direct pressure, indirect pressure ( remember those far off days? ), field dressings, haemostasis product, tornequets and moss. For those occassions, each worked.

With the originators permission, can I attempt a broadening ( within topic ) to see what comes out?

1. What is the most common outdoor injury
2. What is the most likely outdoor killer
3. ABC versus DMARCH - discuss!

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[1066kieran]

Originators permission (I think you might of meant me or. An I getting ideas above my station again)

Yes

 

[Apache]

1. What is the most common outdoor injury
2. What is the most likely outdoor killer
3. ABC versus DMARCH - discuss!
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1. for me - blisters! Without some simple remedies they can ruin your day.

2. hypothermia/exposure

3. Honestly doesn't matter. I have recently seen DR<C>ABC with the <C> being catastrophic haemorrhage. They are all there to remind people in a hectic situation what to do. The principal stands, use whatever you fancy or feel comfortable with.

We need to be realistic. What may be best advice in one set of circumstances would not be good in another. There is no point starting CPR in the middle of the woods miles from help with no phone signal. A tourniquet remains a last resort. I'd pick a sterile dressing as my first choice, but anything will do in a dire circumstances - moss, your shirt, even your credit card!

If far from a vehicle I'll carry a decent first aid kit. Otherwise a decent dressing is in all my coat pockets. Can be used for major bleeds, but also fine as an eye pad, sling, even a support bandage for a twisted ankle. What else you going to use your tourniquet for? I own a couple of proprietary ones, but don't routinely carry them.

Remember the forces you need to overcome are less than 3psi. Pressure can stop all bleeding, so long as applied in the correct way.

We had a poor chap on here slice and artery gralloching a deer not that long ago. He text his wife telling her he loved her. A decent dressing in his packet and he'd have stopped the bleeding and walked calmly back to the car.

 

[finnbear270]

What I find to be a pain, is the constant changing of stuff back and forth, so many compressions to so many breaths, don't wind the bandage this way or that, don't give this or that tab,............ Kinell' if it works at the time , USE IT!

 

[countrryboy]

Not going to get involved in the first aid side of things, mine expired a long time ago.

The 1 modern piece of kit that hasn't been mentioned and really could save your life is a satelite tracker/Personal Locator Becon type thing. I see some are only about £100 but worth it if saves ur life
I never thought about them until fairly recently when i was in NZ doing some hunting with kiwi mates. Some off them are real red neck/hil billy types but first thing they pick up even before the gun is there PLB. Most people who use the countryside in NZ all carry them wether walkers, runners or hunters, and u can hire them everywhere at outdoor shops, petrol stations etc

I got my dad 1 for his christmas but it a fancier one that actually tracks u every 10 mins so my mother knows where he is, not always a good thing. But she's far happier as got peice off mind where my dad is working, as we all work on our own in fairly rural locations and if there eer was a problem we would know exactly where to look for him. It also has the SOSbuttom he could push himself.

 

[bogtrotter]

1. What is the most common outdoor injury
2. What is the most likely outdoor killer
3. ABC versus DMARCH - discuss!

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1 In my opinion sprains not life threatening not even serious in most cases but if you are caught out with a badly sprained ankle on the hill 5 or 6 miles from the nearest road,on a winters afternoon and only 2 hours of daylight left, make no mistake you are in trouble.

2 Hypothermia absolutely no question.


3 ABC as thats how I was taught may not be exactly appropriate if someone is bleeding out from damage to a major artery of course.

 

[paul o']

wifes BBQ cooking
a fall
b hypothermia/exposure after a fall
c panic then hypothermia/exposure
d still wifes cooking
so many ways to cock up "n"endless ways not to get home for tiffin

 

[RickoShay]

1. What is the most common outdoor injury - poke in the eye from a tree/branch, choking on scoff...drunken fall
2. What is the most likely outdoor killer - cold injury, hypothermia...vehicle impact
3. ABC versus DMARCH - On the basis you can't give yourself CPR, bleeds and breaks...

 

[stalkinginengland]

This is just a general observation and not aimed at anyone. Having read one or two adverts on here and elsewhere for syndicate places I see a few are asking that you have first aid all we'll and good however all the first aid courses I've done have been to administer first aid on others,not very helpful when stalking is predominantly carried out alone. Two I've not yet been on a course that does anything but tell you not to use torniquay???? Sorry for spelling. However I know of at least one stalker whos life was saved this year by their use when he slipped with his knife and went through his wrist. Lose a hand or bleed to death he chose to lose his hand and is still here as is his hand as it happens. I've also never been taken through dealing with self inflicted gun shot wounds either ona first aid course.
cheers kieran

This is exactly why we started a first aid course for stalkers, so you could help yourself as well as others

 

[Moray Outfitting]

1066 - many thanks, yep did mean you.

Thank you the replies, everyone more or less gets that cold is the statistically biggest danger - whether as a first stop or as a result of some incapacitating injury.

Major haemorrhage way down the list - only really moving up when you involve machinery such as winches, chainsaws etc. Absolutely fine to be aware of and open discussion as to treatment, but really does seem to grab the headlines over and above the far more likely events.

CB - PLBs - said it ad nauseum - great product, great idea, great shame no one turns out to be interested. And yet massive take up in other countries. In fairness we are still at the relatively high price stage of the market in the UK. Whether we'll have an effective SaR structure in the UK by the time prices come down is another debate!

 

[AviatingJoe]

So Gents, and ladies if any are reading...

Is there a taste/need/want for some first aid training regarding the outdoors? not just First aid at Work, or Emergency FAW?

I have had uptake on my current syllabus, which is only an awareness course due to the law. It prepares people for being injured alone, being far from rescue, maintaining a casualty for a prolonged amount of time, basic rescue/transport techniques with minimal equipment amongst other sections of first aid. It gives an understanding of "why" people suffer some conditions too, which can help in the treatment of it.

By the end of this month...
I should be able to offer my current syllabus, and also cover the EFAW / FAW syllabus, two birds with one stone so to speak, the law being on my side once someone says I'm allowed to teach...

apparently years as an instructor doesn't count

 

[TankGunner]

IMO It is alway best to seek any training directly from the qualified provider rather than some 3 party middle man that has simply identified a potential gap in the market and then cobbles together a number of "training courses" whilst being unequipped to do the actual instructing or testing themselves.

Personally I look forward to hearing further from Aviating Joe as to what he will be offering by way of first aid training once the month has past.

 

[stalkinginengland]

to answer that point tankgunner,at presant Joe is our instuctor and has already delivered his first course with us he delivers our second at the beginning of june he is a great instructor and a great asset to the team . i do hope this answered the cobbled together remark,

Mark

 

[TankGunner]

Mark

Thanks you have just clarified the point I was making rather well.

"It is alway best to seek any training directly from the qualified provider rather than some 3 party middle man that has simply identified a potential gap in the market and then cobbles together a number of "training courses" whilst being unequipped to do the actual instructing or testing themselves."

My advice is always. Book direct with those doing the training rather than some 3rd party provider who will be taking their cut off the top of the pile.

 

[AviatingJoe]

My advice is always. Book direct with those doing the training rather than some 3rd party provider who will be taking their cut off the top of the pile.

Which would be me then…

So as not to disappoint, there are now no problems TankGunner, which qualification would you like? I am a fully qualified and accredited First Aid Instructor, so no longer "unequipped to do the actual instructing or testing"

I can deliver the following;

Level 2 Emergency First Aid at Work,
Level 3 First Aid at Work,
Level 2 Activity First Aid,
Level 2 Paediatric First aid,
Level 2 CPR and Auto External Defibrillator Course

These are HSE accredited until October when they step away from governing First Aid training, however my courses are accredited by Ofqual, in England, but also the relevant authorities for Wales, Scotland and NI which, therefore makes them a full 3 year qualification.

These are pretty big qualifications to take back to your employer, and the courses attract serious prices. I am definitely NOT about to start charging these amounts, but if I said, instructors of these subjects, in the UK, are clearing four grand for delivering the 3 day course, I wouldn't be lying!

The bespoke course material, such as "being located, working alone, gun shot wounds etc" is non accredited, and un necessary for the accredited certificate, but more than relevant to people finding themselves in these vulnerable positions, and it is well within my bounds to teach awareness of these skills or techniques.

So the course will be run to meet the needs of the learner, if you want an Emergency First Aid at Work (EFAW) qualification for example, I need a minimum of a day, with 6 hours teaching time to certify you properly. If you want the full First Aid at Work (FAW) then its 3 days, 18 hours teaching time. Above and beyond that, the material is specialist to the subject, and the requirements of the particular audience.

 

[finnbear270]

I rely on my younger Bro, Ex Helimed teaching medic & Theatre gasman... along with an offshore survival & first aid week long course at Blackpool & Fylde college... for my first aid learning needs.