Crosshair243
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I don't think I would want to see it ever again! Get it back to them and move onwards 
Sauer out the box accuracy (not )
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It's not your friends place to prove the rifle is faulty. Garlands have already tested the rifle, and tried different scopes, and it still didn't shoot to a satisfactory level.
If your friend paid by credit card, go straight to the card company. Explain the problem, and make sure you tell them that Garlands have already tested the rifle, but still won't resolve the issue, and now you want your money back.
If not on a card, ask Garlands for a refund, on the basis the rifle isn't fit for purpose. Use the Sauer ad' to show Sauer expect sub MOA from their rifles.
Garlands are fools. This will already have cost them massively more in lost future business, than the cost to resolve the issue, and the longer it goes on, and the more people read this, the more it's going to cost them.
When companies realise that these issue are not just current, but remain on the internet indefinitely, so every time someone searches for Sauer/Garlands, this thread will come up, they'd soon realise do the right thing is far more cost effective, than shirking their responsibilities !
Just how many people reading this are going to buy from Garlands !!!!
Mark.
RickoShay
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2.5" is just plain insane. Shot a 1" group in my DCS shooting assessment, that was from bench off bipod, kneeling and standing off sticks with factory ammunition (140gr Fed Powershock).
You don't pay that sort of money for a 2.5" group as 'acceptable' from factory, cannot imagine any true German would be happy about that engineering! That rifle cannot be right.
You don't pay that sort of money for a 2.5" group as 'acceptable' from factory, cannot imagine any true German would be happy about that engineering! That rifle cannot be right.
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Anyone on here other than the poster and rifle owner been able to get their hands on this setup?
K
I. Farticus
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Just some numpty @ Garlands, which didn't seem to yield much in the way of a result...
The gunsmith who is doing the independent report is on here but doesn't post regular. After he has had a look and reported his findings ill ask him if he would post his opinion. Or maybe he will prefer to stay neutral which is his choice.
The whole point of the thread is, it's a brand new rifle that that groups at 2 1/2 inch and that's deemed ok my garlands.
Its nothing to do with how much it costs, what other rifle groups like that out of the box.
splash
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Bri
You have my full sympathy and my post was not aimed at You.
It's the posters that don't know Sauer from a CZ that get my goat, I have Sauer 202 and like it and so your mate must have been gutted, when he shot what I assume is an awesome looking rifle.
I do hope you resolve the issue and let us know, but I also hope the posters who go on about how their Howa shoots bug holes start their own thread.
Coldweld
You have my full sympathy and my post was not aimed at You.
It's the posters that don't know Sauer from a CZ that get my goat, I have Sauer 202 and like it and so your mate must have been gutted, when he shot what I assume is an awesome looking rifle.
I do hope you resolve the issue and let us know, but I also hope the posters who go on about how their Howa shoots bug holes start their own thread.
Coldweld
The rifle was test fired last night by some one that has over thirty years experience with firearms, and I know to be competent.
The results were erratic to say the least. It set off by producing a 2 1/2 group with odd round touching with two three round group with a break in between.
Then on the 5th set of three rounds it bug holed then next set of three went back to spraying them all over.
The only thing he found last night was 3/4 inch away from the action the barrel was tight to the stock but rest was clear.
The scope was taken off between sets and when reattached it shifted its original point of impact 1 1/2 low and left and held point again.
The rifle is off to be tested independently this afternoon so hopefully progress should be near
The results were erratic to say the least. It set off by producing a 2 1/2 group with odd round touching with two three round group with a break in between.
Then on the 5th set of three rounds it bug holed then next set of three went back to spraying them all over.
The only thing he found last night was 3/4 inch away from the action the barrel was tight to the stock but rest was clear.
The scope was taken off between sets and when reattached it shifted its original point of impact 1 1/2 low and left and held point again.
The rifle is off to be tested independently this afternoon so hopefully progress should be near
I wouldn't waste anymore time and money but rather simply insist Garlands send it back to Sauer with a note that if it can't be made to shoot sub 1" 3-shot groups at 100m and returned with a signed test target, then you want them to drope a replacement barrel & action into your fancy high-grade stock that does.
Job done and a little face saved for all concerned.
K
Job done and a little face saved for all concerned.
K
I had the same problem with a Sauer. out of the box 2 inch's at 100 yards was the best it could achieve, and it failed to eject, oh I forgot to mention this was a 308 wolverine, about £4000.00 at today's prices, after months of load development I managed to find one load it would shoot consistently 3/4 at 100. The ejector problem never has been solved
I tried on 4 occasions to 1 order a spare mag 2 order a new barrel. four e-mails to their UK importer Garlands and not even a reply, total tossers!, so I e-mailed Sauer and received an almost instant reply referring me to garlands
So my advice if your thinking of buying a Sauer, keep your money in your pocket, you can obtain better for thousands less from other manufacturers, and maybe even have some after sales service
I tried on 4 occasions to 1 order a spare mag 2 order a new barrel. four e-mails to their UK importer Garlands and not even a reply, total tossers!, so I e-mailed Sauer and received an almost instant reply referring me to garlands
So my advice if your thinking of buying a Sauer, keep your money in your pocket, you can obtain better for thousands less from other manufacturers, and maybe even have some after sales service
I had the same problem with a Sauer. out of the box 2 inch's at 100 yards was the best it could achieve, and it failed to eject, oh I forgot to mention this was a 308 wolverine, about £4000.00 at today's prices, after months of load development I managed to find one load it would shoot consistently 3/4 at 100. The ejector problem never has been solved
I tried on 4 occasions to 1 order a spare mag 2 order a new barrel. four e-mails to their UK importer Garlands and not even a reply, total tossers!, so I e-mailed Sauer and received an almost instant reply referring me to garlands
So my advice if your thinking of buying a Sauer, keep your money in your pocket, you can obtain better for thousands less from other manufacturers, and maybe even have some after sales service
I found the opposite - Sauer got back to me very fast and said if I was having problems with the UK distributor then I could contact them direct! why would the ejector/extractor not get fixed? you drop the gun off and tell them to fix it and they give you it back when it works - should be simple and I cant see how any retailer could do this??
More to the story?
Regards,
Gixer
Bertie Leblanc
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All on here seem to be agreed that 2 1/2 groups are not acceptable.
You have given Garlands opportunity to remedy the situation.
Contact your local Trading Standards Office and get some correspondence going with the manufacturer in Germany.
The rest, however interesting and amusing will not get your problem solved, although there are some very good posts about how to find out what the fault is.
It is with Garlands (if you purchased direct from them) to resolve your problem.
You have given Garlands opportunity to remedy the situation.
Contact your local Trading Standards Office and get some correspondence going with the manufacturer in Germany.
The rest, however interesting and amusing will not get your problem solved, although there are some very good posts about how to find out what the fault is.
It is with Garlands (if you purchased direct from them) to resolve your problem.
venator cervus
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1. One thing occurs to me during this elongated discussion: is the fore end touching the barrel? If you have overtightened it then you may need to slack it off a quarter turn.
2. Do you have fixed or detachable mounts? This will also make a difference with accuracy dependant upon set up and quality.
3. I have no experience with Garlands - but I know Sauer are very good and will assist with any issues.
If points 1 & 2 have been covered elsewhere - I apologise, but am losing the will on this one!
Unfortunately the 'glass half empty' brigade who proffer opinion in this thread [predominantly] don't really know anything about Sauer rifles - I would recommend to them the latest edition of Rifle Shooter and Mr Yardley's review as a 'taster!'
2. Do you have fixed or detachable mounts? This will also make a difference with accuracy dependant upon set up and quality.
3. I have no experience with Garlands - but I know Sauer are very good and will assist with any issues.
If points 1 & 2 have been covered elsewhere - I apologise, but am losing the will on this one!
Unfortunately the 'glass half empty' brigade who proffer opinion in this thread [predominantly] don't really know anything about Sauer rifles - I would recommend to them the latest edition of Rifle Shooter and Mr Yardley's review as a 'taster!'
I must say that I didn't have a good experience when I was trying to purchase my 202 Stutzen a few years back.
The delivery date was missed by months. I contacted sauer directly on numerous occasions to little avail.
When I went to collect it the agent didn't have the correct mounts.
Then it wouldn't group and had to go back to the agent to have some bit of the stock relieved. It grouped ok then.
I subsequently discovered when comparing my rifle with a friend that my stock was over inch longer than it should be so I had to pay to have it corrected.
This season gone I completely and cleanly (thankfully) missed a short range neck shot, only to discover back at the range a screw in the posh swing offs base was starting to loosen.
Prior to the agent mounting the scope, I had never removed it from the rings, so was rightly pxss off a few weeks ago when I dismantled it, to find what was a new S&B scope with ring marks.
I contacted a Uk dealer about trigger adjustment ( the big red screw) and was redirected to Garlands after about 5 or 6 calls and promises of return calls or he's in a meeting ( I don't think Donald trump goes to as many meetings as these guys), eventually I got the health and safety answer don't touch it.
I know others who have had shades of the same problems.
I still like this rifle and one day may get to work, I thought I was buying a modern classic but not quite a Alfa Romeo, and never expected it to perform like my blaser or Sako and shoot a half inch groups or better.
With this new £6500 rifle everyone seems to be having a play with it, if you bought a shirt form Marks with a rip, you would bring it back and get a refund and the staff wouldn't try to convince you no one will notice.
I would just hand it back- GET A REFUND.
If sauer want to build your friend another rifle to his specifications and it is proven to be accurate they can pay for your friend to pop over on a cheapy ryanair flight to make sure he's satisfied before they post it- as gesture of goodwill.
I think this entire thread should be forwarded to Sauer, that is if there not onto it already.
The delivery date was missed by months. I contacted sauer directly on numerous occasions to little avail.
When I went to collect it the agent didn't have the correct mounts.
Then it wouldn't group and had to go back to the agent to have some bit of the stock relieved. It grouped ok then.
I subsequently discovered when comparing my rifle with a friend that my stock was over inch longer than it should be so I had to pay to have it corrected.
This season gone I completely and cleanly (thankfully) missed a short range neck shot, only to discover back at the range a screw in the posh swing offs base was starting to loosen.
Prior to the agent mounting the scope, I had never removed it from the rings, so was rightly pxss off a few weeks ago when I dismantled it, to find what was a new S&B scope with ring marks.
I contacted a Uk dealer about trigger adjustment ( the big red screw) and was redirected to Garlands after about 5 or 6 calls and promises of return calls or he's in a meeting ( I don't think Donald trump goes to as many meetings as these guys), eventually I got the health and safety answer don't touch it.
I know others who have had shades of the same problems.
I still like this rifle and one day may get to work, I thought I was buying a modern classic but not quite a Alfa Romeo, and never expected it to perform like my blaser or Sako and shoot a half inch groups or better.
With this new £6500 rifle everyone seems to be having a play with it, if you bought a shirt form Marks with a rip, you would bring it back and get a refund and the staff wouldn't try to convince you no one will notice.
I would just hand it back- GET A REFUND.
If sauer want to build your friend another rifle to his specifications and it is proven to be accurate they can pay for your friend to pop over on a cheapy ryanair flight to make sure he's satisfied before they post it- as gesture of goodwill.
I think this entire thread should be forwarded to Sauer, that is if there not onto it already.
For Gixers info, you can have a copy of the e-mail from Sauer, it quite plainly say's contact Garlands, as to more to the story yes there is! after the simple process of traveling a 180 mile round trip on three occasions to the retailer, only to be assured each time that the problem has now been solved, plus having a father suffering a series of strokes over 10 months, I just learnt to yank the bolt like a B*****d, why do some people on this site have to have such a suspicious nasty mind?
We need an UPDATE please!
The rifle has been tested by an independent gunsmith and after 20 rounds he managed an 1 1/2 grouping. But from what I could gather the grouping was still erratic. As I said in my last post it will bug hole but then goes back to a crap group. From a cold barrel it won't group, as in a first shot on a deer it could be 3 inch poa.
The independent tester said 1 1/2 is acceptable from a sauer. But that's not from a cold barrel........
he said if he want a better grouping he would have to home load.
More like he would be better buying a sako at third of the price ( my suggestion )
The question is what group do you except from an out of the box with rifle with factory ammo,
The independent tester said 1 1/2 is acceptable from a sauer. But that's not from a cold barrel........
he said if he want a better grouping he would have to home load.
More like he would be better buying a sako at third of the price ( my suggestion )
The question is what group do you except from an out of the box with rifle with factory ammo,
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