Sauer out the box accuracy (not )
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How long before the factory test target turns up??
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K
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K
Given that several people, including Garlands shot the rifle, all achieving unacceptable groups, and that other scopes were tested to eliminate that being the fault, that different ammunition was tested in an attempt to improve the grouping, that something else was discovered that has improved the way it shoots !
It seems a little odd that since the thread was only started 3 weeks ago, it's taken two weeks to make the post. I would have thought Garlands would have wanted it posted ASAP, to eliminate all of the bad press they were getting !
Mark
I. Farticus
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There is evidently something going on that we are not being made privvy to, so don't have the full story...
Is it the rifle, is it the scope mounts, is it the ammo or is it that Redmist is the only one that has been near this rifle that can actually shoot, where the others can't hit a cow's *rse with a banjo, and shouldn't be let loose with live ordnance...
Is it the rifle, is it the scope mounts, is it the ammo or is it that Redmist is the only one that has been near this rifle that can actually shoot, where the others can't hit a cow's *rse with a banjo, and shouldn't be let loose with live ordnance...
Ronin
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I was asked independently to shoot the rifle.
Ive nothing to do with any importer or with any other person who has shot the rifle.
The post was started by a well meaning, interested third party, who was not the owner of the gun.
Personally, I don't think that the thread had a place on here until such time as there WAS a service or reliability issue which was not dealt with satisfactorily.
I can't comment on the findings of others, however, I can comment on my own personal experience of the rifle.
With bipod and rear bag it was easily shooting sub MOA groups at 100 yards - that's with factory 100 grain ammunition - that was witnessed.
With home loads, it would probably shoot half MOA
As a deer stalking rifle the accuracy is perfectly acceptable.
If the rifle was a custom build for the same price, I would expect a lot better accuracy - sub half MOA, but it isnt, its a factory, mass produced rifle, albeit a pretty one.....
Ive nothing to do with any importer or with any other person who has shot the rifle.
The post was started by a well meaning, interested third party, who was not the owner of the gun.
Personally, I don't think that the thread had a place on here until such time as there WAS a service or reliability issue which was not dealt with satisfactorily.
I can't comment on the findings of others, however, I can comment on my own personal experience of the rifle.
With bipod and rear bag it was easily shooting sub MOA groups at 100 yards - that's with factory 100 grain ammunition - that was witnessed.
With home loads, it would probably shoot half MOA
As a deer stalking rifle the accuracy is perfectly acceptable.
If the rifle was a custom build for the same price, I would expect a lot better accuracy - sub half MOA, but it isnt, its a factory, mass produced rifle, albeit a pretty one.....
I should have heeded my own counsel as per page 3 of this thread!
"I’m not entirely convinced its the rifle that is responsible for these much larger than desirable groups but without a chance to look at and fire the thing I’ll leave further speculation to the more knowledgeable site members."
K
I. Farticus
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Hang on a minute, on the basis that Garlands ALSO tested the rifle, and changed scopes, got Redmist to independently test it, and then gave the guy his money back, your comments are somewhat unfair !
Something clear was wrong, even though it appears to have been resolved now !
Mark.
jon2
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Not sure you have understood me Mark
The rifle was said to be defective and then full refund issued (think Garlands behaved impeccably) then found not to be defective by an independent test.
Or have I misunderstood? If as above I don't think I'm being unfair in my previous post.
Jon,
If it, or an associated part wasn't defective in some way, why couldn't Garlands get it to shoot better than 2.5" ? Unless they don't have a clue what they're doing, and it's unlikely they would admit to that !
So, if they couldn't get it to shoot, something, somewhere was clearly wrong. Now, it may have been a very simple over site, but it's hardly reasonable to suggest the was nothing wrong, or maybe imply the owner/OP were wrong to seek advice on the forum.
For all we know, the barrel could have been re-crowned, who knows ?
However, IMHO, the time to have offered the customer his money back, was at the time Garland tested the rifle, and it still shot 2.5" groups. Had the owner been shown it could shoot sub MOA groups, he may well have kept it, although sometimes these situations just leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Anyway, it's sorted............................
If it, or an associated part wasn't defective in some way, why couldn't Garlands get it to shoot better than 2.5" ? Unless they don't have a clue what they're doing, and it's unlikely they would admit to that !
So, if they couldn't get it to shoot, something, somewhere was clearly wrong. Now, it may have been a very simple over site, but it's hardly reasonable to suggest the was nothing wrong, or maybe imply the owner/OP were wrong to seek advice on the forum.
For all we know, the barrel could have been re-crowned, who knows ?
However, IMHO, the time to have offered the customer his money back, was at the time Garland tested the rifle, and it still shot 2.5" groups. Had the owner been shown it could shoot sub MOA groups, he may well have kept it, although sometimes these situations just leave a bad taste in the mouth.
Anyway, it's sorted............................
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I. Farticus
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It's ALIVE!!!!! Fantastic
splash
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Is it sorted ? seams more like everyone has had a Garlands/Sauer bashing session.
Your assuming the OP was correct ? Strange he never mentioned REDMIST could group it !
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I didn't want say who tested the because its his choice to put his opinion forward and not be put on the spot.
From what the owner reported back from the testing it shot a 2 inch group at best, and this was done on a barrel that hadn't been cleaned for at least 50+ rounds through it. After cleaning the barrel it want to a 3 inch group
The test target have been thrown out but there are some pics on his computer of them. He is out foxing his with his super accurate T3 in 22-250 sub 1/2 MOA at 100yards with factory ammo. ( test targets to prove, user error my ass) tonight so ill put them up tomorrow. So you will be able to make your own mind up. And it was the gun shop that gave the full refund not garland.
Something fishy here - one guy says it shot 1 Moa at 100, the other says it didn't - and the "test target" comment is tripe - I can tell you sayer have not sent out test targets for a long time - I posted an e-mamail from sauer themselves saying this the other day.
regards,
gixer
regards,
gixer
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