DSC level 2
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Usually you use your level one provider. You register for level two. You find stalking with a local AW list provided with the registration. You lead this all the way. It is field work. If you can provide the field it is reasonable otherwise it can get expensive. An Aw coming to your ground, provided you have deer, is the best option. You know the ground, you lead the stalk. You answer the questions. You both fill in he portfolio. Three successful stalks including deer perpetration. Done deal. Sounds easy. Don't be fooled and be ready for the assessors call.
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http://www.dmq.org.uk/faq.htm Regards JCS
Erik Hamburger
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All details available online if you Google 'DSC2' and 'DMQ'
Just be aware that the average candidate requires fifteen Stalks with an Approved Witness to complete the three Individual Cull Records.
This may explain why out of 18,711 successful DSC1 candidates only 4,115 have now completed their DSC2 - a lot of candidates never come round to completing it.
"the average candidate requires fifteen Stalks with an Approved Witness to complete the three Individual Cull Records"
I gather that is builds in the likelihood of fruitless stalks?
I gather that is builds in the likelihood of fruitless stalks?
Not quite correct (pedantic icon please Admin), as not everyone who completes DSC1 goes on to register for DSC2.
The full stats are as follows:
Latest statistics DSC1 DSC2
Registered 20,140 7,320
Completed 18,711 4,115
So of the 18,711 DSC1 holders eligible to register for DSC2, 7,320 have done so, and of these 4,115 have actually completed it.
willie_gunn
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Erik Hamburger
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Yes, that includes fruitless stalks. I have the numbers from an AW - they're not made up.
My own DSC2 actually required 16 Stalks
many, many times with either no deer spotted at all, or no safe shot possible.Erik Hamburger
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stalkinginengland
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Too much talk of how many stalks it takes. You can only shoot what's there and then only when safe. That's the whole point of it, Stalking into the animal and then only shooting it if its safe. That's what the test is, can you stalk into an animal and then is everything else done safely. I know candidates who have gone out 3 times and completed. In fact my last one was. We were on his ground that he knew well and it all worked. Others wont be so lucky or may not have the skills required. That's the test.
Erik Hamburger
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Hence my use of the word average.
Monkey Spanker
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Yes, that includes fruitless stalks. I have the numbers from an AW - they're not made up.
My own DSC2 actually required 16 Stalks
That must be his own statistics then as I've never been asked for mine!?
I've never actually bothered recording it, but at a guess I'd say most of my candidates have achieved all three in an average of 5-6 outings.
2 have even achieved all 3 stalks in one long outing!
MS
Yes, that includes fruitless stalks. I have the numbers from an AW - they're not made up.
My own DSC2 actually required 16 Stalks
Pedant here again!
So what you're really saying is that with your particular AW it takes an average of 15 stalks to complete the necessary ICR's or, to put it another way, one "successful" stalk in every five outings.
Last time I looked there were nearly 600 AW's on the current list, and I don't think you can really extrapolate your sample of one AW's performance as being indicative of DSC2 as a whole.
Where I stalk the average success rate per outing measured over many years (for all stalking trips admittedly, not just DSC2) is close to 1.5, or one deer shot per 1.5 outings.
Again, I am not suggesting that a DSC2 only requires an average of 4 or 5 outings, but any DSC2 candidate may find it worthwhile checking these type of statistics when considering booking witnessed stalking.
willie_gunn
baguio
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I would suggest that this AW either takes his tap dancing shoes off or his candidate goes stalking in an area inhabited by deer?Yes, that includes fruitless stalks. I have the numbers from an AW - they're not made up.
My own DSC2 actually required 16 Stalks
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Monkey Spanker
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It would be interesting to hear from those that hold DSC 2 how many stalks it took to get it?
It would also be interesting to see if those that took a lot of trips were paying lots for it!
Mine was a good while ago now, but I think it took 3 stalks, unpaid!
MS
It would also be interesting to see if those that took a lot of trips were paying lots for it!
Mine was a good while ago now, but I think it took 3 stalks, unpaid!
MS
baguio
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4 MS and obviously mine was also free!It would be interesting to hear from those that hold DSC 2 how many stalks it took to get it?
It would also be interesting to see if those that took a lot of trips were paying lots for it!
Mine was a good while ago now, but I think it took 3 stalks, unpaid!
MS
I've done a few AW stalks recently where the candidates completed two ICR's in one outing, no mystery to it, mostly woodland muntjac stalking so the chances of seeing deer are quite high and mostly very capable candidates so the chances of making good use of the opportunities are also high.
Funny how the more skilled and experienced candidates seem to be so much more lucky than the borderline ones? After all, this DSC2 stuff is just luck isn't it?
Funny how the more skilled and experienced candidates seem to be so much more lucky than the borderline ones? After all, this DSC2 stuff is just luck isn't it?
baguio
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Yes Glyn, as the great Golfer Gary Player famously quoted 'The more I practise the luckier I get'!
Erik Hamburger
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Willie, I didn't say that it took me 16 outings with one AW. What I said was that, according to an AW I know, who is also an External Verifier (so he should know) , it takes the avarage candidate 15 stalks to complete 3 ICR's.
That includes stalks where no deer was spotted; that may include stalks with different AW's; that includes stalks where no safe shot was possible; that includes stalks where deer was seen and stalked but of the wrong sex so at that moment out of season; that includes stalks with a successful cull; and that includes stalks where one or two PC's were not completed to the AW's satisfaction so those elements had to be done again.
This threat was simply meant to be a gentle word of warning to prospective DSC2 candidates that things don't always go smoothly and can get costly, so a suggestion not to leave it to the last month of your third year because you may run out of time. Or money.
After all, not every DSC2 candidate manages to perfectly head-shoot three deer using just one bullet from 200 yards in one 30min stalk
Willie, I didn't say that it took me 16 outings with one AW. What I said was that, according to an AW I know, who is also an External Verifier (so he should know) , it takes the avarage candidate 15 stalks to complete 3 ICR's.
That includes stalks where no deer was spotted; that may include stalks with different AW's; that includes stalks where no safe shot was possible; that includes stalks where deer was seen and stalked but of the wrong sex so at that moment out of season; that includes stalks with a successful cull; and that includes stalks where one or two PC's were not completed to the AW's satisfaction so those elements had to be done again.
This threat was simply meant to be a gentle word of warning to prospective DSC2 candidates that things don't always go smoothly and can get costly, so a suggestion not to leave it to the last month of your third year because you may run out of time. Or money.
After all, not every DSC2 candidate manages to perfectly head-shoot three deer using just one bullet from 200 yards in one 30min stalk
Erik
My post was a bit tongue in cheek (sadly we don't have a suitable emoticon) but you raise an interesting question that any DSC2 candidate would be advised to consider. We all know that stalking is not an exact science and with many variables that can affect a succesful outcome. I would think a candidate's chances are improved by, where possible, seeking stalking that offers multiple quarry species. For example any stalking that includes the possibility of muntjac could be advantageous (available all year round, often the chance of multiple beasts per day, etc.). Similarly, fallow stalking might improve the candidates chances of completing the ICR's sooner than, say, only having access to roe stalking. Or maybe not - what do others think?
On your comment about the AW/Verifier I still don't quite see how "he should know", since the completed portfolios don't identify how many stalks were necessary to achieve the three ICR's. So he might believe that 15 stalks are required, but that's really speculation and not based on any statistical analysis.
Sorry....will now take off my pedantic hat.
willie_gunn
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