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Jager SA

Jager SA

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Right chaps, I'm throwing this out into the WWW. Because I see this as a very scary scenario which could have far reaching Concequances in my view but what do you think of the scenario? By the way there's more to the story but I want people's views.

Scenario:

A guy was out with his son and son's friends hide shooting pigeons, all above board I should add.
Anyway the sons friend picked up the gun for a shot but as he did it slipped from his grasp and went off injuring his arm, hospital visit, stitches required not fatal thankfully. Police informed, they attended the hospital clearly an accident...what's the next step?
 
gixer1 said:
Buy a lottery ticket? Lucky boys to get off with a minor injury.

accidents do happen in reality though.

regards,
Gixer
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Yep I can see where you're going with that...yes accidents happen. But the other part of the story could indeed spell doom for a fair few of us depending on how you read it.

I am interested in people's views on this as when I heard what's gone on I couldn't believe what I was hearing!
 
Jager SA said:
As I said all above board.
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I didn't suggest it was.
Just trying to get a handle on the situation as the detail is missing.

The point I was making is that the response is different depending on the situation.

If he was under instruction arguably it is the person giving the instruction fault.
If the person had no experience and was not instructed to touch the gun the fault lies with them.
If the person injured was experienced then again the fault lies with them.
 
By the sound of it I'd just say he was unlucky as you say he slipped .... Could happen to any of us and could've been a lot worse just thankful nobody was seriously hurt .. If the feo is a decent sort he should see it the same way , despite what we like to think sometimes none of us are perfect
 
stag1933 said:
Incompetence and lack of supervision somewhere.
If the safety catch had been applied the gun could not have gone off.

HWH.
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" if the safety was applied the gun couldn't go off....." utter bull.... I once loaded my auto and as I get go of the bolt it went forward and went off, and safety was applied, and also had a old aya s/s go off as I closed it and the safety was also applied on that....



no one should ever trust a safety catch!!!!!! and never let any one believe that they can trust it. always treat a gun as it was loaded.
 
Ok seems we have some good views so I'll give the rest of the story...

Interview took place at the hospital officer said that was the end of it, there'd be no need to follow-up. Two days later armed response unit arrived at the house to confiscate firearms. Two days later interview took place with FEO... Its the next bit that really kind of worries me...FEO says I'm going to asked you some questions I need you to answer those questions which may determine whether you get your certificate back or not.

1/ Do you have the sporting rights what's the land the issue over?


2/ Are you a member of the syndicate the shoots over the land?


3/ Are you the landowners agent?


4/ Are you employed by the landowner?
 
most would I guess be landowners agent
ie some one appointed to carry out pest control by the landowner.
However I believe someone who is not a licence holder is only allowed to borrow the land owners gun (if I remember correctly)

here it is:

You may shoot shotguns or (if over 17 years of age) rifles when accompanied by a certificate-holding landowner or their agent, such as a gamekeeper/stalker, on the owners land, using their weapons in accordance with the conditions on their certificate for that weapon.
 
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palmer_mike said:
Does the estate rifle clause apply to shotguns?
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Bingo!!! Exactly what I thought...however it seems it can be made up as they go along...bearing in mind no crime has been committed here, except those questions were used along side the "the breech of firearms licensing laws"
Because if you go shooting over land, the land owner must be present and you must use his firearm to prevent falling foul of the licensing conditions.

I kid you not, this is real!
 
ahh - basc website says you can borrow a shotgun from the occupier of the land.
Occupier is not a term defined however it is usually accepted that occupier is anyone who is given permission to be there shooting.
 
Jager SA

Clearly they are trying to determine the ins and outs of s 11(5) 1968 Firearms Act -borrowing shotguns from the occupier of land- an untested piece of legislation. So did the injured party have a certificate? If not this will be their tack. Also the police will let the investigation take its course and will ultimately look at public safety matters so don't assume things are over. It would be more helpful if you just told the full story , makes it easier to pass comment.

Frank
 
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