The people's republic of Scotland

[private fraser]

Tend to mention the past a lot, maybe because the past has a big part in shaping who we are today

Never lived in England , no not for any more than a week at a time , work related but don;t see the relevance

'Haven't traveled a great deal, abroad ? not much

Unable to engage properly in a debate, would not have though so

Unable or unwilling, its not very clear which to absorb facts if they do not suit, but is that your facts,my facts or Jock Thamsons facts , the trouble with these facts you speak of is where did they come from , for all these so called facts that you have produced, its possible to produce facts that contradict them, so all we can do is interpret them best we can

Have an unreasoning, deep and unpleasant dislike or even dislike of English people, think that is actually quite rare these days , and certainly not so in my case have quite a few English friends, even some distant relations and my son lived in Milton Keynes for over twenty years prior to his death earlier this year.

Don't see the above as racist and unacceptable, In my opinion racism is never acceptable regardless of who its aimed at

Don't feel happy when you point out the above, no because its wrong on so many levels

Take the huff easily , no not at all , but see no reason for questioning a persons intelligence , because they have a different values and hence opinion from you.

Who's questioning intelligence?..not me. Although I can see why others have.
Who's facts?..well try Robert Peston, the bbc and the rest of the news organisations...re the links posted by someone already which point out hugely important Facts and to which no Yes folk have anything to say.
Lived in England for only a week at a time?..unable to absorb much then.

Well done for engaging in debate though....care to continue that and comment on the 4 links a previous poster put up containing stuff which is actually happening now, aka facts.
eg...the chairman of B & Q says that their costs will rise in an independent Scotland so ours will too.

ps.... Why don't You post some links to stuff on the web that supports your cause, economic stuff would be great.
We could all do with a lift.
Looking forward to it.
Atb

 

[Taff]

Most need hand outs as you call them Wiven because the English stole there jobs a political move that kept the Tory's in power. With a total disregard for the none tory voters north of the border.
Some successful parasites can disable there host over a long period. Don't be frightened of change as the Tory's have said we need to work together to get a good solution.

So the decision to make the aircraft carriers in Scotland, instead of Portsmouth where thousands have jobs have just been lost, was a ploy by the Tory government to keep them in power.
Or was it because the voters in Portsmouth voted liberal and labour, hang on I am starting to sound like a scot, all my problems are because of the English " free the Isle of Wight " free hayling Island" Freeeeeedom, but can I keep all the bits I like.

 

[bogtrotter]

ps.... Why don't You post some links to stuff on the web that supports your cause, economic stuff would be great

Nowhere have I said it was my cause, just playing Devils advocate, there's two sides to every story, and both need telling

 

[Paul at Fechan]

Salmond's ego is going to ruin Scotland. It's really sad and I hate to say it but actually the yes voters deserve what they get but certainly not at the expense of all those other people who suddenly get forced into effectively a dictatorship.

 

[bogtrotter]

Just heard on lunch time news there has been a big run on the big three banks , closing and moving accounts ahead of the referendum.

Really running scared , don't they realise that even in the event of a yes vote, there would be two years before Scotland became independent, plenty of time to move there accounts if they feel they need to,

What if its a no , will they move it all back.

Talk about paranoia , looks like everybodys starting to think it will be a yes vote.

 

[6pointer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-44255/BP-announces-record-profits.html

I don't doubt for one minute BP want a no vote.

The bigs guns are now north of the border do you think we will see them shouting for a no vote on the streets of Toll Cross .Regards campaigning near a school isn't that what the tory,s started decades ago lifting baby's and saying we really care.

No one said it was going to be easy but after reading the negativity from the English chaps to the Yes voter types.
It is definitely time for change.

 

[private fraser]

ps.... Why don't You post some links to stuff on the web that supports your cause, economic stuff would be great

Nowhere have I said it was my cause, just playing Devils advocate, there's two sides to every story, and both need telling

Go on then...use links to tell it.

 

[mudman]

Just heard on lunch time news there has been a big run on the big three banks , closing and moving accounts ahead of the referendum.

Really running scared , don't they realise that even in the event of a yes vote, there would be two years before Scotland became independent, plenty of time to move there accounts if they feel they need to,

What if its a no , will they move it all back.

Talk about paranoia , looks like everybodys starting to think it will be a yes vote.

It is not just individuals, big businesses are now coming out in favour of the Union, BP has made a statement today and the Shell CEO has agreed with Sir Ian Woods appraisal of the remaining hydrocarbon reserves in the North Sea

it is going to be one hell of a week...............whichever way it goes it is going to take a long time to recover from.

 

[private fraser]

Just heard on lunch time news there has been a big run on the big three banks , closing and moving accounts ahead of the referendum.

Really running scared , don't they realise that even in the event of a yes vote, there would be two years before Scotland became independent, plenty of time to move there accounts if they feel they need to,

What if its a no , will they move it all back.

Talk about paranoia , looks like everybodys starting to think it will be a yes vote.

Ahhh, but how do you know that's a fact re the bankls?
I mean, there's a lot of other stuff that you seem to doubt...like everything negative re a Yes vote.

 

[NOTSHARP]

No cause for concern?????

Really ??????????

BBC News - Standard Life reacts to possible Scottish independence


"
Standard Life has fleshed out how it will react in the event of a 'Yes' vote for Scottish independence

Standard Life's chief executive, David Nish, has written to the Scottish money manager's customers explaining how it will protect their interests in the event of Scots voting for independence.
He says that it could transfer pensions, investments and other long-term savings held by UK customers to new regulated companies set up in England.
The aim would be to ensure that all transactions with customers outside of Scotland could continue to be in sterling, that the Westminster tax regime would apply to them, and that they would be subject to regulation and protection by City regulators and the Financial Services Compensation Scheme.
It will also say that it will consider what further steps may be necessary to serve Scottish customers, once it becomes clear how the Scottish economy will be managed as an independent state.
I am told this is a precautionary statement by Standard Life, and that it has not seen a surge in withdrawals of funds or inquiries since opinion polls showed a growing prospect of Scots' voting for separation from the rest of the UK. "


Don't think for one minute that this will only affect investors.



Steve.

 

[private fraser]

If any Yes voters absorb the above "facts" they are going to be in serious need of some Senokot.

For everybody else I reckon the opposite effect is likely.

 

[bogtrotter]

Ahhh, but how do you know that's a fact re the bankls?
I mean, there's a lot of other stuff that you seem to doubt...like everything negative re a Yes vote.

Just reporting what was on the news. no reason to doubt it , the trouble with all those reports from individual experts is how many of them are impartial, many of them have their own agendas and prejudices

BP are backing a no vote, one expert says oil is running out

Other guy head of company involved in oil exploration on the radio last week Can't remember his name) said his company were backing a yes vote , according to him they have already discovered enough oil to last a hundred years, at present levels of extraction , off the west coast and they have only explored a fraction of the area says thebpotential is enormous.

Who do you believe, who's right .

No I don't doubt everything negative about a yes vote , there are a lot of things to have doubts about.

But staying as we are is no bed of roses either, and all this promising us the earth if we vote no, maybe if they had given the Scottish parliament these powers at the time of devolution the Scots population might have been content , not now they see it as a last ditch attempt to save the union.

 

[private fraser]

I read a book about a Japanese soldier called Hiroo Onoda.
He was ordered to stay on an island and did so.

After the war was over lots of people tried to tell him so.
They would leave him newspapers and he would read them avidly.
He always spotted a spelling mistake or something that he interpreted as a message from the Japanese high command telling him that the news paper was a fake.
In 1974 they found his old c.o. , the one who had ordered Onoda to stay.
They brought Onoda's c.o. to the island where he personally ordered Onoda to come out.
He did so, reluctantly and suspiciously, clutching his rifle and carrying a couple of grenades.
Terrific book.

Some people can be very dogged in the face of overwhelming facts.

 

[RED-DOT]

"Charlie is my Darling"... Get it P.F.?

 

[private fraser]

"Charlie is my Darling"... Get it P.F.?

Very droll RD

I prefer the "Darling" from the Blackadder ww1 series.
At least he gave you a laugh, not like the other one.

Are you on the island with the rifle and the grenades ?

 

[jonevo]

I have bad vibes about all this

salmonds dream of an independent scotland, will not be doing anyone of us any good at all,whether your north or south of the border

 

[6pointer]

Come on guys feel the good feelings he is a wee link that was asked for.



Don't watch if you are of a nervous disposition

 

[User00025]

Good to see Clan- ann- Drummer are still going, they played for us on the Edinburgh pro hunting marches. Oh dear I forgot, hunting got banned!!!!!

Come on guys feel the good feelings he is a wee link that was asked for.



Don't watch if you are of a nervous disposition

 

[wivenhoe65]

Come on guys feel the good feelings he is a wee link that was asked for.



Don't watch if you are of a nervous disposition

Well it looks like something my 11 yr old made in her DT class - not very professional in other words .
And the point of that piece of propaganda was ....... ?
As with most things assoc' with the yes campaign it appeared to want to show la la never land , do you seriously think ****e like that is going to influence anyone with an IQ even slightly higher than a cabbage ?
If that is representative of what the yes campaign is punting out to sway people to vote its even more suprising to think that even a cabbage would vote yes.

 

[tackb]

cant we all just be friends ?

and there's me with post 500 ! yee ha !!!!