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private fraser said:
Re the above, here is a perfectly serious question.

The Darien scheme would have Ruined Scotland financially,correction it Did ruin Scotland financially but England basically sorted it.
OK it cost us our independence but what price independence. That is still a valid question today.

The recession in 2007 was and still is, the worst since the 1920's.
If Scotland had not been part of the Union it would have been sunk as effectively as a rowing boat hitting a mine.

It's often said that those who don't learn from history are condemned to relive it.

The question is this....

Have we not learned from history ... is twice not enough for us ?.

6pointer....bogtrotter or anyone from the Yes side care to comment ?
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PF have a look at the attached page
We got sha***d in '74 and they are about to try and do it again!

Well not if I can help it?
 

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6pointer said:
Murray have you ever been to Scotland mate or to you are we just kilt clad Haggis Bashers.

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So clinging to the English stereotype of the Scottish then? :)

Nah - honest my comment was directed at the video rather than the Scottish - or more the Yes researchers for doing such a p!sh poor job. Oh ... and didn't the music from the Scottish bit feature heavily in Braveheart? Can't imagine where else I could know it from.... oh dear oh dear.... :stir:
 
Here is a scenario for Country boy.

You are buying a house.
You are not using a solicitor, doing it yourself.
Everybody says the interest rates will rise if you buy into it.
The house is yours forever,you can never get out of it.
The seller sometimes gives you an answer which,upon checking,you find is incorrect.
The seller is unable to answer other questions you ask except by saying, "don't worry, it'll be fine..just sign here.

Do you sign ?
 
private fraser said:
Re the above, here is a perfectly serious question.

The Darien scheme would have Ruined Scotland financially,correction it Did ruin Scotland financially but England basically sorted it.
OK it cost us our independence but what price independence. That is still a valid question today.

The recession in 2007 was and still is, the worst since the 1920's.
If Scotland had not been part of the Union it would have been sunk as effectively as a rowing boat hitting a mine.

It's often said that those who don't learn from history are condemned to relive it.

The question is this....

Have we not learned from history ... is twice not enough for us ?.

6pointer....bogtrotter or anyone from the Yes side care to comment ?
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The Darien scheme did not bankrupt Scotland as many would have you believe, what it did was cause hardship for a lot of lowland landowners who had backed it financially hoping to make a killing of course many of said landlords were also people of influence members of parliament etc., the Highlands were pretty much unaffected by it and Scotland would have survived, but going cap in hand to England saved the skin of said landlords.

2007 would have been extremely hard , but it never seemed quite as bad here as it was in the south, would we have weathered it I honestly don't know.
 
private fraser said:
Re the above, here is a perfectly serious question.

The Darien scheme would have Ruined Scotland financially,correction it Did ruin Scotland financially but England basically sorted it.
OK it cost us our independence but what price independence. That is still a valid question today.

The recession in 2007 was and still is, the worst since the 1920's.
If Scotland had not been part of the Union it would have been sunk as effectively as a rowing boat hitting a mine.

It's often said that those who don't learn from history are condemned to relive it.

The question is this....

Have we not learned from history ... is twice not enough for us ?.

6pointer....bogtrotter or anyone from the Yes side care to comment ?
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How can u state that above as if it would be a fact. It's all if's and but's there is no waying of knowing

I dunno how old u are and bad as the reccesion was generally people have never had it so good, only have to look on here at the price of high end rifles/optics etc which are effectively a luxory itiem for most, in fact the boys that usually work them generally have fairly cheap/averagey type stuff.
Yes time have been hard but it has not stopped the vast % of population from still having fancy phones massive tv's, sky and half decent cars.
My old boss is only 65 odd and when he was growing up as a kid in a rural area like many on here i'm sure was pretty much a subsistance living making there own butter and cheese from the cow they had etc, living in old farm cottages with very little heating, walking miles to school etc. When he was older they used to bike miles to all the village halls for dances/boules etc
My mates dad also about that age group was a painter and can mind when he worked as a boy u only got 2 days holidays at christmas and got to pick wether u wanted them at christmas or new year and used to work every sat as normal plus all the jobing on the side. Tradesmen just aren't doing that now as they don't need to to earn a wage

Eire is still clinging on just on the waterline is it not? I think Iceland has recovered and is thriving again. Both small countries that were hit hard
Some of the larger european countries are still strugglin and USA is still in a bad way so size does not guarantee anything

PF the bottom line is there are very few actual 'FACTS' out there, yes u may be passing a lot of stuff off as facts but all sorts of things could change and the truth is somewhere nearer the middle, far too many hidden ageda's out there
 
bogtrotter said:
The Darien scheme did not bankrupt Scotland as many would have you believe, what it did was cause hardship for a lot of lowland landowners who had backed it financially hoping to make a killing of course many of said landlords were also people of influence members of parliament etc., the Highlands were pretty much unaffected by it and Scotland would have survived, but going cap in hand to England saved the skin of said landlords.

2007 would have been extremely hard , but it never seemed quite as bad here as it was in the south, would we have weathered it I honestly don't know.
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My history teacher must have been wrong then.
You reckon the Highlands were not bothered by it, I think they were already living in poverty.

I didn't really want to get into a history debate.
Recent history is raw and real enough.
Ask an Icelander.
 
private fraser said:
Here is a scenario for Country boy.

You are buying a house.
You are not using a solicitor, doing it yourself.
Everybody says the interest rates will rise if you buy into it.
The house is yours forever,you can never get out of it.
The seller sometimes gives you an answer which,upon checking,you find is incorrect.
The seller is unable to answer other questions you ask except by saying, "don't worry, it'll be fine..just sign here.

Do you sign ?
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Problem is not just as simple as that as u don't just have the seller giving u duff advice u also have somone trying to get u not to buy the house (or trying to sell u theirs) giving u equally sh**e advice.
So like i've said all along the truth (if there is such a thing) is somewhere in the middle.

I don't have the answers, and no offence PF but i don't think u do either.
I will read throu that september18.com and try and make my own mind up where i hope (and from wot i've read) it is truely impartial.
Probably the best use of any money been spent on the referendum by anyone
 
countrryboy said:
How can u state that above as if it would be a fact. It's all if's and but's there is no waying of knowing

I dunno how old u are and bad as the reccesion was generally people have never had it so good, only have to look on here at the price of high end rifles/optics etc which are effectively a luxory itiem for most, in fact the boys that usually work them generally have fairly cheap/averagey type stuff.
Yes time have been hard but it has not stopped the vast % of population from still having fancy phones massive tv's, sky and half decent cars.
My old boss is only 65 odd and when he was growing up as a kid in a rural area like many on here i'm sure was pretty much a subsistance living making there own butter and cheese from the cow they had etc, living in old farm cottages with very little heating, walking miles to school etc. When he was older they used to bike miles to all the village halls for dances/boules etc
My mates dad also about that age group was a painter and can mind when he worked as a boy u only got 2 days holidays at christmas and got to pick wether u wanted them at christmas or new year and used to work every sat as normal plus all the jobing on the side. Tradesmen just aren't doing that now as they don't need to to earn a wage

Eire is still clinging on just on the waterline is it not? I think Iceland has recovered and is thriving again. Both small countries that were hit hard
Some of the larger european countries are still strugglin and USA is still in a bad way so size does not guarantee anything

PF the bottom line is there are very few actual 'FACTS' out there, yes u may be passing a lot of stuff off as facts but all sorts of things could change and the truth is somewhere nearer the middle, far too many hidden ageda's out there
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OK ok it's all if's and buts and there are no facts out there and Robert Preston is talking pish.
 
private fraser said:
My history teacher must have been wrong then.
You reckon the Highlands were not bothered by it, I think they were already living in poverty.

I didn't really want to get into a history debate.
Recent history is raw and real enough.
Ask an Icelander.
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Now your trying to twist my words, yes the Highlands were in poverty, but the Darien scheme had little effect on the Highlands is what I said.

If truth be told a lot of us are still in poverty, how is voting no going to help us, is voting yes suddenly going to make us affluent hardly ! but a lot of people feel that when you have nothing you have nothing to loose.
 
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countrryboy said:
Problem is not just as simple as that as u don't just have the seller giving u duff advice u also have somone trying to get u not to buy the house (or trying to sell u theirs) giving u equally sh**e advice.
So like i've said all along the truth (if there is such a thing) is somewhere in the middle.

I don't have the answers, and no offence PF but i don't think u do either.
I will read throu that september18.com and try and make my own mind up where i hope (and from wot i've read) it is truely impartial.
Probably the best use of any money been spent on the referendum by anyone
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Have a read of the following as well and see what you think.

Wings Over Scotland | The Wee Blue Book
 
Scots are great with inventions,famously crap with money.
Some examples...

Sir Walter Scott
Robert Burns
Gordon Brown
Fred Goodwin..no longer Sir
Rab C Nesbitt.

Is Swinney up to the job he may be handed?.
Is anyone on Labour?.

Saying they couldn't make a worse job if it is highly unlikely and that answer is disallowed :)
 
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I sometimes wonder if the one way we could have been sure of a no vote if the whole Westminster Village had said vote yes, we hate you and want rid of you! About 95% would then have voted no. :)

David.
 
LuckyEddie said:
I did read and as I said they're not getting to do it twice!

Scottish West Coast untapped oil and gas reserves worth trillions - Oil and Gas News
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A study undertaken by OilandGasPeople, who are actually a "recruitment solution for the oil and gas industry"? i.e. they are a recruitment company. The timing is a bit strange, isn't it? Maybe I'm just too cynical, but a study released right at the moment by a recruitment agency? Even sticking in some names, such as DECC and a single chap from the British Geological Survey doesn't really persuade me to take it seriously. I hope that I am overly cynical, I truly do. Massive oil fields off the west coast would be great for either Scotland or the UK, but I sure wouldn't bet my house on it right now.
The Falkands have some really large geological structures and a thick sedimentary succession in their basins (sounds really complex and clever, doesn't it? It isn't really) but some oil companies have found to their cost that they don't lead to economic accumulations of oil.
 
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