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Dutch hunting nowadays is almost impossible. It eroded away quite fast from 2000 on because of anti politics. Much changed in 20-25 years.

I heard of the decline first hand from a friend, who got me into hunting.
His father was a well known Dutch hunter with big funds who had the last driven hunt in Holland which ended in 2001.
Once driven was forbidden he could hold onto the lease, but only with supervision from 2 people which they had to pay, dictated by the municipality under pressure from the anti's.

When pressure became too high and they could not afford the costs anymore, the hunting was taken over by a wealthy hotel family to deflect the anti-pressure. They were able to hold a share in the lease so they at least could still hunt.

Last season the lease was ended by the municipality and hunting taken over by "public servants". Which, in fact are hunters who are paying the public organisation running the show to be able to hunt. They also have to follow an extra mandatory hunting course costing around 7.500 pounds.

Because of wolve issues, unsolved because of -you probably guessed it- the anti's, nothing much is seen nor shot on the 700 hectares in the last 2 years. So people are succered into paying large sums of money, without any decent ground to hunt, on highseats, because it is too busy for stalking.

Be very careful with what you have in the UK. It can change very quickly and very easy.
My friend is not even trying for new ground in Holland, he is coming over to the UK with us later on in the year to get a taste of proper hunting culture once again.
So no real knowledge of hunting in uk or Netherlands but happy to give a viewpoint on it …….. ok
 
I cant watch his vids at all...I know most people dislike me and I own a creed ... but PJ is another level of annoying :)
as ive said repeatedly hes doing nothing the dmq havent done , i find him no more or less annoying but i think its good hes bringing new courses out for the cert collectors , if nothing new had come out they may have had to go stalking o_O
 
as ive said repeatedly hes doing nothing the dmq havent done , i find him no more or less annoying but i think its good hes bringing new courses out for the cert collectors , if nothing new had come out they may have had to go stalking o_O
:lol: now Im not as anti certs as you ...not possible to hate paper more lol.... PJ is good for himself and his bank balance and thats about it...but as you correctly say "idiots and their cash are easily parted" - DISCLAIMER - I am not in any way suggesting any particular person is an idiot ...this is just general...dont waat any offence or strops being caused ...i am on the naughty step already lol
 
again exactly the same as dmq
Agreed ... business is business and business needs to make money. If you can create a course, make it mandatory, you are laughing. We see it all the time at work and spend £1,000s on this portal and that portal, this pre selection database on so on and so forth. At least we can pass the cost along and we get business as a result so win win 👍
 
I've got nothing against the PDS (although personally i prefer the BDS structure).

What I don't understand is how Peter thinks its acceptable to try promote his business (which he personally benefits from) by tearing down a charity that offers a similar product on a non-profit basis. Its just bang out of order. Peter isn't in this for the good of the industry, its a cash-cow for him I think him acting in this way is deplorable.
Going back a few years peter jones had a lease to control deer in essex, following complaints from some essex folk and one or two other apparently interested parties the lease was cancelled and he found no sympathy / help from anyone or anybody of the stalking world, my thoughts are he may be wishing to cause damage to other deer stalking commodities as he thinks he is on par with them, having said that people pay into his club possibly because his set up suits the way that they go stalking as and when they like - who cares it is another club or deer management group plying for a high cash roll - things have changed unfortunately it’s not about deer management or stalking these days it’s about money ☹️
 
I have no issues with there being training and by multiple providers, surely a choice is a good thing, it would be a nice to have that the standards were on a par and the providers could use positives of their courses to attract customers not stag off the others.

I've watched the original video and the second video by PJ and it make me feel I'm being lectured to and to make things worse his mannerisms make me feel like it's Chris Packham.
 
DMQ arent devising red tape ? they invented it, what about that do you not understand ?
DMQ was brought about by the lack of standards, and in my short span in this industry, standards and awareness have improved immensely. The quality of carcasses has improved enormously, the awareness of legislation/requirements that have enabled us to put venison into the food chain were brought about by a standardization that was required by the venison industry, without such we would not be able to sell any venison into the food chain, and its an industry that craves regulation and certification.
DMQ saw an opportunity to set the standards, its not perfect but without it we would be in an entirely different environment..
 
DMQ was brought about by the lack of standards, and in my short span in this industry, standards and awareness have improved immensely. The quality of carcasses has improved enormously, the awareness of legislation/requirements that have enabled us to put venison into the food chain were brought about by a standardization that was required by the venison industry, without such we would not be able to sell any venison into the food chain, and its an industry that craves regulation and certification.
DMQ saw an opportunity to set the standards, its not perfect but without it we would be in an entirely different environment..
well my experiance has been different ive met a lot of dmq " qualified stalkers " who definately werent up to scratch , as for regulation the large game meat hygine covers you
 
well seeing as theyre based at marford mill id say they were turning a profit .......... ive never understood the idea that people belive they do it a just covering costs basis
Perhaps they do it as a service to members, but it would be quite easy to see if DMQ make a profit by looking at the yearly accounts for BASC.
 
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