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A while ago I put something on here offering a "novice day" for free to anyone who wanted to get into and in fact I held 4 or 5 days and all those days someone shot a deer, but 3 of the 4 days the guys were far kitted out better than me for being a Novice, turning up with high end rifles, scopes, binos etc, more money on product that I could ever afford and clearly able to pay if they needed to and a couple of them proclaimed they had shot stags in this place and that place so I stopped taking people out for nothing as the vast majority took the utter **** and then bad mouthed me behind my back so unfortunately I stopped taking people out with me for free unless I know them and trust them. I also had more than 1 instance where my free guest tried to or contacted landowners behind my back asking for shooting permission, embarrassingly for them they didnt realise how much work I actually put in for my landowners and the people I manage land for.

So there are elements on this forum that have spoiled it for the rest . I have also given stalking out for as little as £150 a day and people just complained or not willing to put the work in.

I also cannot take the point its about greed because I make nothing out of any of the stalking I do except my full ti.e work, which yes I shoot deer but, that is my job, your not going to deny me that surely as £30k a year is not a lot of money but obviously you think that people that shoot deer for a living should live on nothing.

One thing I have to say about all the comments I have seen over the years. Its ok for a mechanic to charge £85 per hour for labour then add 10% on each part price, its ok for a plumber to charge £92 per hour, its ok for an electrician to charge more than £100 per hour, but it is not ok for a deer stalker to charge for their time at less than £30 per hour ? Many people on this forum dont look at deer stalking as a real job, but, I have to pay the same taxes, pay for equipment and expenses and have to pay insurances etc and daily lease of ground. too . It is a real job with real cost and expense and then I have to pay the household bills with that money.

Please think about that all when you look at my adverts or others within this forum..
I think the "greed" aspect menitoned of it is stalkers are ultimately helping landowners. If a land owner has a deer problem, it should be people getting paid to shoot deer, not then paying the privilege to shoot a land owners pest (and people pay stupid money for it too). Ultimately its our fuel, time, money on various things (rifles, optics, knives, recovery kit, certificates/quals and the rest of it) to then pay to shoot pests.

But, unfortunately, that's the world we are living in.
That isn't a dig at you either, I'll spend money on the freedom to sit in a forest with my dog. I'm pretty easy 😂
 
Sorry but 6k for 750 acres owr thereabouts.. no matter how ypu dress it up is taking the pi55 big time as already said if someone's paying that they either stupid or.rich enough to not bother ....thsts not the majority of stalkers ive known

Nobody's moaning at ypu for earning 30k as a deer guide controller contractor or whatever ....but comparing it tto an plumber or mechanic at £90 an hour is apples and oranges ...and of wanting to earn that go retrain ..... but i bet mechanic himself is not getting that £90 hr so you might be disappointed

There is greed in this industry same as any other ...

Paul
 
Sorry but 6k for 750 acres owr thereabouts.. no matter how ypu dress it up is taking the pi55 big time as already said if someone's paying that they either stupid or.rich enough to not bother ....thsts not the majority of stalkers ive known

Nobody's moaning at ypu for earning 30k as a deer guide controller contractor or whatever ....but comparing it tto an plumber or mechanic at £90 an hour is apples and oranges ...and of wanting to earn that go retrain ..... but i bet mechanic himself is not getting that £90 hr so you might be disappointed

There is greed in this industry same as any other ...

Paul
When I was on spanners I was mid 20's a year. Even when I started specialising and became the 'upper' tier spanner man it was low to mid 30's at best. That was everything from engine + gearbox rebuilds to rally stuff + emergency service stuff through events 👀 a lot of time for not a lot of money
 
It’s up to a landowner how he values his assets and he can ask what he wants for it, whether anyone is willing to meet the asking price will determine whether it is good value or not. Simple economics.

It’s a bit sad that a trade member is getting his stalking advert pi&@ed over, if a trade member advertises the latest Pulsar Binos at over £5k (which to my mind is equally as ridiculous), the advert never seems to attract such negative comment!
 
I see these posts for leases and syndicate places for prices like this that seem just crazy to me.
Far from working men's prices, but no doubt someone will pay what is asked.
Why? About 20 million acres in scotland, 5 million or so people. The "working men's" share would be about 4 acres at £9 an acre. A working man can easily afford £3 a month.
What working man expects to lease, effectively, a small estate?
No previous cull records available?
Imagine paying that money, which averages £127 per week, to find you can't achieve the numbers required to break even
 
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