.22 WMR RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE

[TheEngineer]

Depends on the semi! The below is from my Brno ZKM 611 with Hornady 30gr V max ammo. Pulled a shot but you get the idea.

The one advantage that the bolt actions do have is triggers. The only flaw of the ZKM is the trigger, it's heavy with lots of creep but you can train yourself to be very accurate once you get a feel for the break point.

 

[Bowland blades]

WMR semi autos are often significantly heavier than their .22LR cousins
Many of the parts need to be much chunkier and steel instead
The cycling of the "magnum" rimfire is much more emphatic and made short work of the internals of some of the earlier semi autos and AR15 style conversions

I also wouldn't take a semi auto for anything requiring precision
great fun but a decent bolt gun beats them all day long

my Sako zeroed at 100m with Remington Accutip is a ragged hole
You will struggle to get that out of a Semi

Its rare for WMR to out shoot a 22 lr accuraccy wise , have always put that down to the fact that the case still is a popular Lady's purse gun where power is more important than shooting tiny little groups on paper . Add to this rare enough to find a truly accurate out the box auto in any chambering without having work done

 

[Bowland blades]

Depends on the semi! The below is from my Brno ZKM 611 with Hornady 30gr V max ammo. Pulled a shot but you get the idea.

The one advantage that the bolt actions do have is triggers. The only flaw of the ZKM is the trigger, it's heavy with lots of creep but you can train yourself to be very accurate once you get a feel for the break point.
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Range ?

 

[TheEngineer]

Range ?

90 meters, so about 98ish yards?

 

[Bowland blades]

90 meters, so about 98ish yards?

Not bad at all for a factory std WMR Auto , thing is a decent 22 LR bolt gun can put bullet on bullet at 100 out of the box in many cases.

 

[TheEngineer]

Not bad at all for a factory std WMR Auto , thing is a decent 22 LR bolt gun can put bullet on bullet at 100 out of the box in many cases.

For less than half the price for ammo too.

The autoloading WMR really shines as a short range fox gun I find.

 

[Smellydog]

Its rare for WMR to out shoot a 22 lr accuraccy wise , have always put that down to the fact that the case still is a popular Lady's purse gun where power is more important than shooting tiny little groups on paper . Add to this rare enough to find a truly accurate out the box auto in any chambering without having work done

What a load of bollocks...

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Its rare for WMR to out shoot a 22 lr accuraccy wise , have always put that down to the fact that the case still is a popular Lady's purse gun where power is more important than shooting tiny little groups on paper . Add to this rare enough to find a truly accurate out the box auto in any chambering without having work done

Balls
if your WMR bolt is not significantly more accurate than your average .22lr there is something wrong
have had three WMRs personally and with the right matched ammo they are ragged holes at 100m

add to that dozens we have sold in CZ, Sako, and Ruger RPRs

not too many .22lrs will touch holes at 100m with any ammo other than £20 a box Long Range stuff
In fact show me one that does with standard ammo.

 

[Bowland blades]

Balls
if your WMR bolt is not significantly more accurate than your average .22lr there is something wrong
have had three WMRs personally and with the right matched ammo they are ragged holes at 100m

add to that dozens we have sold in CZ, Sako, and Ruger RPRs

not too many .22lrs will touch holes at 100m with any ammo other than £20 a box Long Range stuff
In fact show me one that does with standard ammo.

Certainly not my findings but folks will cheap out on LR ammo . Good quality .22 is very , very accurate . I once put 8 through the exact bullet hole at 100 yards and i mean as a say one bullet hole! The ammo was the old Lapua Subsonic with the rat pictured on the box . .
The issue at play you have actually mentioned - Folks cheap out ! Cant see the point as even the most expensive 22 lr ammo is peanuts in comparison to CF
I dont think ( away from competition ) You need to spend a lot . We have two .22 LR CZ 452 varmint rifles here both bought second hand and no more than breathed on some.
Wife's friend was a big .22 target competitor , she used to travel to Germany to test ammo batches to get the very best ammo batch for her rifle .
Lapua now offer super long range 22 LR ammo for shooting out way out past what many would think possible

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

@Bowland blades @Edinburgh Rifles

I can see both sides of this tbh.

I can certainly agree that 22lr with regular hunting ammo isn't that accurate. I can also understand that anything travelling as slow as a sub spends a long time in the air where any small external factor can have a significant effect and really influence accuracy. But I can also see how something with the cult following of 22LR they must make some top notch match grade ammo and with all the options out there you're bound to find something that suits your rifle.

On the other hand- I can believe that a WMR doing twice the speed with a similar shaped bullet would have some real advantages all other factors being equal. But being a hunting round (I'm guessing there's no Match grade target wmr ammo?)- this must limit its accuracy a little ? Wmr seems to have a firm following in the US and I have read that some of the newer rounds (50gr critical defence for example) is made to a much higher standard than some of the old wmr ammo.

I can't really see a large need for a semi auto wmr rifle. The accuracy must be a limit long before the round runs out of energy for most vermin ?

 

[Bowland blades]

@Bowland blades @Edinburgh Rifles

I can see both sides of this tbh.

I can certainly agree that 22lr with regular hunting ammo isn't that accurate. I can also understand that anything travelling as slow as a sub spends a long time in the air where any small external factor can have a significant effect and really influence accuracy. But I can also see how something with the cult following of 22LR they must make some top notch match grade ammo and with all the options out there you're bound to find something that suits your rifle.

On the other hand- I can believe that a WMR doing twice the speed with a similar shaped bullet would have some real advantages all other factors being equal. But being a hunting round (I'm guessing there's no Match grade target wmr ammo?)- this must limit its accuracy a little ? Wmr seems to have a firm following in the US and I have read that some of the newer rounds (50gr critical defence for example) is made to a much higher standard than some of the old wmr ammo.

I can't really see a large need for a semi auto wmr rifle. The accuracy must be a limit long before the round runs out of energy for most vermin ?

Speed does not ever bring with it extra accuracy as part of the package Have you seen how well 6ftlb proper target rifles shoot for instance ? "Incredible" Now feed them something like the old bulldog brand etc .... Such is much the case in 22 LR

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

Speed does not ever bring with it extra accuracy as part of the package Have you seen how well 6ftlb proper target rifles shoot for instance ? "Incredible" Now feed them something like the old bulldog brand etc .... Such is much the case in 22 LR

Perhaps speed doesn't bring extra accuracy "as part of a package" (whatever that means ?)

But with all other factors being equal- isn't a fast bullet less prone to environmental factors ?

I can see how the benefit of an extra 50fps won't make much difference when we are talking about a 2800fps projectile. But when one bullet is exposed to the elements for literally half the time (2100fps WMR vs 1050fps 22LR) it must be a reasonable factor? Isn't that why long range shooting is so difficult? The bullet really slows down so the second 500m is much harder than the first 500....?

Very happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[User00044]

Speed does not ever bring with it extra accuracy as part of the package

Unless the bullet becomes transonic before reaching its target . Which is the reason a lot of the .22lr PRS style shooters are reputed to use subsonic ammo , it never becomes transonic or suffers any of the associated instability issues.
There was a .22 lr ammo comparison in one of the magazines a few years ago , the accuracy of standard and high velocity ammo was best described as S#!te !

 

[Bowland blades]

Unless the bullet becomes transonic before reaching its target . Which is the reason a lot of the .22lr PRS style shooters are reputed to use subsonic ammo , it never becomes transonic or suffers any of the associated instability issues.
There was a .22 lr ammo comparison in one of the magazines a few years ago , the accuracy of standard and high velocity ammo was best described as S#!te !

A lot depends on a lot ! Personally i get very good performance from 22 Lr CCI velocitors out to a very good range a HV round ( it runs as a 40 grain though ) a lot like the stinger get velocity through a lighter bullet in part , these lighter bullets like the stinger for me in my .22's are a lot less accurate at longer ranges as you say "badly effected in and around the trans-sonic zone"
I tend to shoot the velocitors out of prefference the range window ( and this is for truly accurate performance ) Is around 130 yards max. There is of course a fair amount of extra kinetic energy and a flatter trajectory , retained velocity with the 40 grain
22 Lr has however in all its forms become something i tend to have used less and less this last ten years or so as the 22 hornet can double that range window and more without adding a lot of cost with handloads .
In situations where your likely going to be in a very target rich environment , shooting over 100 rounds a session there is still a lot to be said for the 22 Lr lead slug , lets hope we get to keep it !

 

[tackb]

couple of points ,

22lr accuracy , i have a custom built rim-x bolt action 22lr , it made me reassess 22lr accuracy , on a good day with SK long range match it's a 1/2 moa gun weather permitting and frankly i am highly doubtful of anyone who claims to be able to improve on that with a factory gun , i previously had a sako finnfire , the proper old version (varmint) and that would shoot an inch with the right ammo at 100m on a good day.

22wmr , these are highly ammo sensitive , my experience is with a bolt gun and the usual 40gr ammo was very meh but once i tried the 32/33gr stuff it transformed the guns accuracy and performance

 

[Rake Aboot]

Its rare for WMR to out shoot a 22 lr accuraccy wise , have always put that down to the fact that the case still is a popular Lady's purse gun where power is more important than shooting tiny little groups on paper . Add to this rare enough to find a truly accurate out the box auto in any chambering without having work done

 

[Bowland blades]

couple of points ,

22lr accuracy , i have a custom built rim-x bolt action 22lr , it made me reassess 22lr accuracy , on a good day with SK long range match it's a 1/2 moa gun weather permitting and frankly i am highly doubtful of anyone who claims to be able to improve on that with a factory gun , i previously had a sako finnfire , the proper old version (varmint) and that would shoot an inch with the right ammo at 100m on a good day.

22wmr , these are highly ammo sensitive , my experience is with a bolt gun and the usual 40gr ammo was very meh but once i tried the 32/33gr stuff it transformed the guns accuracy and performance

Plenty 22 lr shoot 0.5 moa , what matters is how far it will do that consistently . Have you seen what a top target competitor can do ? Having seen perfect single holes by serious target shooters time after time when fitted scopes are added for ammo batch testing it opens many a rabbit hunters perspective on the word " accurate " for the 22 LR

 

[tackb]

Plenty 22 lr shoot 0.5 moa , what matters is how far it will do that consistently .

ok , lets set the benchmark of 100m , 1/2moa at 50m is a 1/4'' group 0.03'' bigger than the bullet

 

[Bowland blades]

ok , lets set the benchmark of 100m , 1/2moa at 50m is a 1/4'' group 0.03'' bigger than the bullet

Sorry i dont get what your saying here Groups are measured centre to centre. Measure the widest point and subtract one caliber. MOA is very close to 1" at 100 yards

 

[tackb]

Sorry i dont get what your saying here Groups are measured centre to centre. Measure the widest point and subtract one caliber. MOA is very close to 1" at 100 yards

ok , don't worry