.222 Barnes 30gr grenade

[Buchan]

Afternoon all, has anyone used this in .222? I've been looking up load data for it, using Viht 130.

Viht site only lists 36grain
Barnes site doesn't list 130.

If I use a Viht burn rate comparison chart, Reloder 10X is on the same line and is in the Barnes data set. But the case is nearly full at the bottom of the suggested weight.

Very new to this game any help appreciated please!

I have just notice on the box that it states .22 Hornet, but the data is clear on the Barnes site

 

[takbok]

You'll be safe using the Vihtavuori data for the 36gr VG - 30gr bullets with this data will produce lower pressure. Load the bullets to the Barnes 30gr specified OAL.

N130 might be too slow burning to reach the velocity potential of the cartridge but it might be acceptable for your needs.

 

[Buchan]

You'll be safe using the Vihtavuori data for the 36gr VG - 30gr bullets with this data will produce lower pressure. Load the bullets to the Barnes 30gr specified OAL.

N130 might be too slow burning to reach the velocity potential of the cartridge but it might be acceptable for your needs.

Thank-you, the 36gr data was my original thought but that's a good plan to use the Barnes OAL

 

[takbok]

No problem, hope they shoot well.

I tried the 62gr VG's recently and also ran out of case capacity with N133 in my 6x45

 

[Smellydog]

Don't worry about compressing the powder. If it's the right powder and it's up in the neck just seat the bullet.

 

[takbok]

Don't worry about compressing the powder. If it's the right powder and it's up in the neck just seat the bullet.

It's not the right powder and the problem is that the seating stem crushes the bullet jacket quite easily with these bullets and a compressed load because there's fresh air in the cavernous hollow point.

 

[Smellydog]

It's not the right powder and the problem is that the seating stem crushes the bullet jacket quite easily with these bullets and a compressed load because there's fresh air in the cavernous hollow point.

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Usually the force to compress a powder charge is not as much as imagined.

If you have actually crushed such a bullets nose I'd love to see one.

 

[old 30-06]

My 222 loves the 36gr Grenades. Lack of mass means they slow down rapidly, but they are excellent for 100 to 150 yard crows. I am unable to shoot the 50gr Grenades ( I think they are too long ), I get a patten like a shotgun ! I have never come across 30gr ones.

 

[takbok]

Usually the force to compress a powder charge is not as much as imagined.

If you have actually crushed such a bullets nose I'd love to see one.

I'll try and take a picture next time. Might have been extreme because they were protruding quite far into case.

Agreed, I don't have a problem with compressed loads usually.

 

[Brno2e]

Tried them and gave up, usless things, gave a box and a half to some one on here. Just did not work in either of my 222'S. That was with N133 though.

 

[kenbro]

These little pills are 33 grains, I think they are VG.
From Livens iirc.
Tried ‘em in Fireball and 223 without success accuracy wise.
Kb.

 

[JTO]

N130 might be too slow burning to reach the velocity potential of the cartridge

= my first thought.

 

[jthyttin]

Usually the force to compress a powder charge is not as much as imagined.

If you have actually crushed such a bullets nose I'd love to see one.

Compressed loads introduce all kind of problems like inconsistent OAL. You can crush the ogive in modern high BC bullets even with non-compressed loads, if using standard FL die and seating die that doesn't match bullet profile 100%.

 

[Smellydog]

Compressed loads introduce all kind of problems like inconsistent OAL. You can crush the ogive in modern high BC bullets even with non-compressed loads, if using standard FL die and seating die that doesn't match bullet profile 100%.

Not really, I've had many a rifle shoot bug holes with compressed charges.

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Unrelated but I ran 40gr nosier in my 222
Awesome
Can’t imagine what velocity you get from a 30gr!,,

 

[Foxyboy43]

Unrelated but I ran 40gr nosier in my 222
Awesome
Can’t imagine what velocity you get from a 30gr!,,

Well if Viht’s usually “conservative” data is saying 3,700fps with a 35gns Vmax then …….

 

[jthyttin]

Not really

Yes really.

Shooting bugholes is one thing (and usually the sample size is too small that you can come into statistically valid conclusion) but there are other problems like magazine failures if some of the cartridges are too long and/or bullet moves in recoil. I've had that even with 223, that usually doesn't suffer from bullet movement.

Or if you're trying to crimp the bullets for something like 458WM that has small powder capacity to begin with. Right PITA if OAL is not consistent i.e. cartridge mouth is not at the crimp groove.

 

[Smellydog]

Yes really.

Shooting bugholes is one thing (and usually the sample size is too small that you can come into statistically valid conclusion) but there are other problems like magazine failures if some of the cartridges are too long and/or bullet moves in recoil. I've had that even with 223, that usually doesn't suffer from bullet movement.

Or if you're trying to crimp the bullets for something like 458WM that has small powder capacity to begin with. Right PITA if OAL is not consistent i.e. cartridge mouth is not at the crimp groove.

I'm happy with bug holes.

Bullet creep can happen with non compressed charges.

458wm. Seat the bullet to the crimp groove and crimp. You'd be surprised how much a powder will compress.

For some bizarre reason some think the powder is a spring and will want to return the same force that was applied to it, it doesn't.

Some just worry to much....

 

[jthyttin]

458wm. Seat the bullet to the crimp groove and crimp.

Actually

- try to seat to specific OAL
- try to seat second and third time
- sort the rounds into lots based on OAL
- adjust the seating die for each lot and try to get the desired OAL
- set the die down, seating stem up, try to crimp
- observe some of the rounds having different OAL than few minutes ago
- ...

 

[Smellydog]

Actually

- try to seat to specific OAL
- try to seat second and third time
- sort the rounds into lots based on OAL
- adjust the seating die for each lot and try to get the desired OAL
- set the die down, seating stem up, try to crimp
- observe some of the rounds having different OAL than few minutes ago
- ...

If the crimp can't keep a 458 bullet still at loading it's not going to stay still under recoil in the magazine anyway.
Try a lee factory crimper. Much better than roll crimping.
Roll crimping works well in tubular magazines.