.223 bullet weights

tarponhead

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I'm thinking of loading some light (35g ) bullets for foxes and long range rabbits/hares, for my 1:9 twist CZ 527.

No idea if they would shoot well in that barrel or not, so I'll find that out first. Any experiences with lighter bullets in a fast twist barrel?
 
I'm thinking of loading some light (35g ) bullets for foxes and long range rabbits/hares, for my 1:9 twist CZ 527.

No idea if they would shoot well in that barrel or not, so I'll find that out first. Any experiences with lighter bullets in a fast twist barrel?
The question is why would you want to -unless it's for curiosity or economics. The 35 grain bullet can be stoked up to awesome speeds but it has the ballistic coefficient of a shuttle cock and slows down faster than it's more streamlined brethren. I shot some from y 1:8 twist using Varget to about 3500 fps. They shot about a minute at 100 but accuracy was not close to linear at longer ranges. I didn't try them again. ~Muir
 
My experience seconds that of 'Muir' above..though I went at it with a lot more gusto and a lot less sense and had my 35gr V- Max bullets fairly zinging along at over 3800fps, but he is correct, believe me!.. Inside of 100 odd yards they can be made to virtually go in ontop of one another, but get out passed around 150yds and that pretty, tight group has opened up noticeably, and at 200 yds the accuracy really is on the way out and they have slowed markedly such that some don't even open up like a V-Max is expected to do. Their shape is almost a round nose, and they have little mass to balance out that disadvantage imho...

Why not go up another 5 grains and use one of the much better, slicker poly tipped 40gr projectiles from either Nosler, Sierra or Hornady and not only will you get pretty close to the 35gr velocities but the bullets will have a FAR BETTER time of it at range, with more energy and likely even more velocity than the 35s after no great distance covered due to their far better shape and thus CDs.. Personally I do occasionally use the 40gr Sierra BlitzKing flat based bullets fired from my .223Rem at an initial 3800fps and they hit foxy like a grenade inside of 250yds or so, rarely giving a through & through...
I would expect the other two I suggested above, in particular the Nosler BTs will perform likewise, and perhaps even just slightly better at extended range cos of their boat tail bases giving them a slight ballistic advantage.
But 35 grainers, unless you are say fire-forming the .223 Rem out to a.233AI (as I use them in my .22H blowing out to .22K-H) then forget them!!.. My Two Peneth anyways!

ATB ...... and shoot safely
 
Ive shot the 35 rain Vmax at 4500fps (22.250) at one Fox out to 275yds, and another at under 150 yards. The remainder of the box has been in my cabinet now since the 2018 shooting show.
I bought them to see if they were any good for use with night vision, I hit both Fox's broad side front boiler room. Without going into too much detail i went back to using either 53 Vmax or 55 Nosler BT's.
On rabbits they would be devastating, but nothing larger for me.
 
I'm with most of the above, there doesn't really seem much point, the ballistics will be a bit rubbish at longer range , and you might be better off using a 22 hornet if you want less noise or damage (to the potential hare at least) you might be better using a different type of bullet for more/ or less impact and reducing or increasing the load. Also you are after two different quarry, and I am presuming you might want the hare for the table, so not too much damage, where you might want the quickest most lethal end for a fox. For what its worth I use 55 or 60 gn Vmax on fox, with a "hot" very fast load. for the table I use solid target type 69 gn bullets that are very accurate, but dont "explode " the carcass. Good luck, and sorry if i sound like a miserable old git!
 
Ive shot the 35 rain Vmax at 4500fps (22.250) at one Fox out to 275yds, and another at under 150 yards. The remainder of the box has been in my cabinet now since the 2018 shooting show.
I bought them to see if they were any good for use with night vision, I hit both Fox's broad side front boiler room. Without going into too much detail i went back to using either 53 Vmax or 55 Nosler BT's.
On rabbits they would be devastating, but nothing larger for me.

53gr V-Max has been my fave foxing projectile now for quite a few years 'jb1' ... fired at heavy, max load from my 26" .223 Rem 700 - in the 3450fps+ speed range - for the most effective terminal ballistics I have yet had from a "standard" .224 Varmint type bullet. Accurate and devastating, helped out by a really good B.C. for this type and weight of projectile!!

ATB ........ and shoot safely
 
I've never tried 35 grain bullets out of a .223, but I've tried 40 grainers (Vmax) a numbers of times over the years. I was looking for speed too, but I must admit they didn't light my candle in terms of overall performance and I had one or two foxes that were able to run (albeit not far). I kept going back to 55 grain bullets. They do exactly what I want from the round.
 
53gr V-Max has been my fave foxing projectile now for quite a few years 'jb1' ... fired at heavy, max load from my 26" .223 Rem 700 - in the 3450fps+ speed range - for the most effective terminal ballistics I have yet had from a "standard" .224 Varmint type bullet. Accurate and devastating, helped out by a really good B.C. for this type and weight of projectile!!

ATB ........ and shoot safely
Out of curiosity, what twist rate is your rifle?
Looking to rebarrel my tikka with a 1:8 twist 24" .223 bartlein barrel for heavier target rounds (75gr) but really want to be able to shoot the 53gr V-Max ammo as well for use as a flat shooting foxing round.
 
I'm thinking of loading some light (35g ) bullets for foxes and long range rabbits/hares, for my 1:9 twist CZ 527.

No idea if they would shoot well in that barrel or not, so I'll find that out first. Any experiences with lighter bullets in a fast twist barrel?
A faster twist with a modern well made projectile is fine, some projectiles may rip apart in flight if rotational velocity is higher than that projectile was designed for.
 
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