223 or 6.5crmr

[suburban bushwacker]

Given what you've said - the rifle isn't a to be a high volume shooter, and you reload. Perhaps a 22 Creedmoor might be the thing?

 

[260madman]

I shoot my 223s a lot more than my 6.5s. 75s and 77s are what I shoot most from my 223s.

 

[Karhumies]

22 creedmoor isnt available to me. Our rifle market isnt that diverse. I think il drop the 6.5crm, i have a 6.5x55 already and having another "medium power" rifle will hurt mw in the future if i want to get a permit for something like a CZ600 lux in 8mm or an older irm herman 98 in 9.3x62 for instance. Police here theoretically allow almost everything if you can write up a compelling justification but there is a soft rule on how many rifles of a certain type is reasonable. Having a 308, 6.5x55, 30-06, 8mm, 9.3mm and 6.5crm raises an eyebrow. Just like having 5 shotguns, its not oficially capped, might argue they have different fit and balance for different types of shooting, different optics mounted etc. But there comes a point where they will summon you to the station for a conversation about your "collection"

223 or 22-250 fills its own niche and shouldnt raise ant eyebrows later.

 

[1000kilograhams]

A .223 is a great thing to have whatever way you swing it, it's always feels like a very enjoyable calibre to me personally and my T3X is fantastic, especially for the money.

If English law matched Scottish, I reckon I could be happy with just .22 LR, a .223 and a 12 gauge in the safe, besides the usual desire to acquire more just because.

 

[Manu]

Hello, I don’t hunt with .223 although I own a 5.6 x 50 R mag (a caliber with similar performance); honestly and without meaning any offense, I believe that game deserves to be hunted at more ethical distances. I have never looked into what the drop of a .22 bullet is at 500 meters, but it must be no less than 4 feet. Not to mention how much it is affected by wind.

A rabbit at 500 meters must look smaller than a coin at 50 meters...

I respect your decision, but I find it hard to agree with it.

Best regards.

 

[Shootinshyster]

Iam doing better financially again and i have decided that i want to get a Tikka t3x tact A1. I have classic style rifles, I have Kalashnikov, I have a drilling, i have 2 shotguns, i have pretty mutch all i need at normal hunting ranges.

What i dont have and the dragon i keep chasing is something very customisable that will shoot a hare in the head at 300+ meters. I dont own a modern precision rifle.

That raises the question, its available in 223 260rem 308 and 6.5crmr. 260 is out for me based on twist rate and ammo availability.
308 is out because iam just not looking to ad another mid ranged 30 cal.

so 223 with a 1:8 twist or 6.5crmr with a 1:8 twist rate. Wich one to choose. Both will take any of the intended game legally: hare, roe deer, grouse, fox, racoon dog, rabbit. Recoil is a non issue in that metal chassis with a big dude behind it. what would be reasons to pick either one? normal ranges are 100-250 meter for me but i do ocassionally go out to over 300 and i have plans to push 500 in the future. Neither should lack power for its intended purpose but the less i have to compensate for drop and wind the better. I mostly load non toxic. In the future i may also want to do target shooting.

Wichever i get i would handload.

Neither one. Get a 6.5x55 instead. In Finland you will be able to find a nice used Sako in 6.5x55. You will have a wonderful rifle and you will save money.

With the money saved, get a high quality scope. The Sako L-61 or AIII rifles are better than today's Tikkas or Sakos. Or you should get a Tikka M-65 in 6.5x55.

Right now is a great time to find a 6.5x55 because these rifles are unwanted by fools who do not understand ballistics

 

[Mike1979]

Neither one. Get a 6.5x55 instead. In Finland you will be able to find a nice used Sako in 6.5x55. You will have a wonderful rifle and you will save money.

With the money saved, get a high quality scope. The Sako L-61 or AIII rifles are better than today's Tikkas or Sakos. Or you should get a Tikka M-65 in 6.5x55.

Right now is a great time to find a 6.5x55 because these rifles are unwanted by fools who do not understand ballistics

I think the comment in bold may be a little unfair as you are effectively saying "I like 6.5 x 55 so anyone who doesnt is a fool". The fact is that all the 6.5s will do the same thing at sensible ranges - kill deer. Loads of threads about this 6.5 is better then this 6.5...this .308 is better then this .270...and on it goes.

I have a 6.5 Creed and if I do my bit then it results in a dead animal...perhaps I'm a fool who doesnt understand ballistics (well arguably I am) .... but I dont claim people who own .270s/.308s are fools based on their choice...and if I do then I add to show thath I am not a condescending know it all

 

[Rafter]

Not 5 posts ago the OP said he has a 6.5x55.....

 

[Mungo]

Neither one. Get a 6.5x55 instead. In Finland you will be able to find a nice used Sako in 6.5x55. You will have a wonderful rifle and you will save money.

With the money saved, get a high quality scope. The Sako L-61 or AIII rifles are better than today's Tikkas or Sakos. Or you should get a Tikka M-65 in 6.5x55.

Right now is a great time to find a 6.5x55 because these rifles are unwanted by fools who do not understand ballistics

What flavour of ice cream do you like?

And are you as judgmental of people who don’t share this taste?

Get over yourself.

 

[Bowland blades]

Iam doing better financially again and i have decided that i want to get a Tikka t3x tact A1. I have classic style rifles, I have Kalashnikov, I have a drilling, i have 2 shotguns, i have pretty mutch all i need at normal hunting ranges.

What i dont have and the dragon i keep chasing is something very customisable that will shoot a hare in the head at 300+ meters. I dont own a modern precision rifle.

That raises the question, its available in 223 260rem 308 and 6.5crmr. 260 is out for me based on twist rate and ammo availability.
308 is out because iam just not looking to ad another mid ranged 30 cal.

so 223 with a 1:8 twist or 6.5crmr with a 1:8 twist rate. Wich one to choose. Both will take any of the intended game legally: hare, roe deer, grouse, fox, racoon dog, rabbit. Recoil is a non issue in that metal chassis with a big dude behind it. what would be reasons to pick either one? normal ranges are 100-250 meter for me but i do ocassionally go out to over 300 and i have plans to push 500 in the future. Neither should lack power for its intended purpose but the less i have to compensate for drop and wind the better. I mostly load non toxic. In the future i may also want to do target shooting.

Wichever i get i would handload.

Twists Rates are various now i run a .260 in 1- 7.5 . Its hard to over twist if your sensible . Recently i added a .243 again i had a choice of 1-8 or the old twist rate
you really cannot compare .223 and 6.5 creed the creed takes a lot more powder / energy the 223 can take rabbits for the table , and will be a more sensible thing to use on the smaller deer where legal.
If you only hand load don't be put off getting the .260 rem in a different more modern twist rate . But it is basically does what a creed does only you dont need a man bun LOL

 

[Shootinshyster]

Let me explain what I meant. The Finns and Swedes have made the best cartridge cases for years. Anyone who understands ballistics already knows this.

So if a Finnish guy wants to load superbly accurate 6.5 ammo, all he has to do is get some Lapua 6.5x55 brass.

Now check out the rifle in the picture. It is a Tikka M-65 in 6.5x55. That rifle is in excellent condition and is for sale for $900 here.

That Tikka M-65 is a far better rifle that the T3 and it should be easy for the OP to find an M-65 exactly like this one in Finland. And with the money saved he could buy a quality scope.

(I would buy the gun in the picture myself right away, except that my dog has cancer and she needs some very expensive treatment. See the bonus picture of Skummfassner)

 

[Sakoodin1]

.22 creedmoor

 

[TringSaint]

Iam doing better financially again and i have decided that i want to get a Tikka t3x tact A1. I have classic style rifles, I have Kalashnikov, I have a drilling, i have 2 shotguns, i have pretty mutch all i need at normal hunting ranges.

What i dont have and the dragon i keep chasing is something very customisable that will shoot a hare in the head at 300+ meters. I dont own a modern precision rifle.

That raises the question, its available in 223 260rem 308 and 6.5crmr. 260 is out for me based on twist rate and ammo availability.
308 is out because iam just not looking to ad another mid ranged 30 cal.

so 223 with a 1:8 twist or 6.5crmr with a 1:8 twist rate. Wich one to choose. Both will take any of the intended game legally: hare, roe deer, grouse, fox, racoon dog, rabbit. Recoil is a non issue in that metal chassis with a big dude behind it. what would be reasons to pick either one? normal ranges are 100-250 meter for me but i do ocassionally go out to over 300 and i have plans to push 500 in the future. Neither should lack power for its intended purpose but the less i have to compensate for drop and wind the better. I mostly load non toxic. In the future i may also want to do target shooting.

Wichever i get i would handload.

I don’t have a 223, but I do have a 243 and a 6.5 (Swede, not creed), but the calibres are comparable.

The 243 is very accurate - sub moa and on a still day it’s my go to rifle. But, in the winter you don’t often get calm days, so I tend to use my swede just because the wind deflection on the round is more predictable and it’s also less prone to other weather related issues (rain, sub zero temps, snow, etc).
So, if you plan to shoot the new rifle in the warmer months then go for a 223, but if it’s winter then I would say 6.5.

 

[West5575]

I might misjudge but i feel like if i want to also target the occasional roe deer at those ranges a monolithic is pretty mutch a must for 223 to have enough penetration at longer range. No legal requirement for mono bullets tho, i just found that in the 222(legal for roe deer) the lead bullets are inconsistent in penetration, some being found completely mangled in the chest cavity at 200m range already.

I think for long range the lead bullet is more desirable, especially in a .224 caliber bullet. Completely mangled chest cavity seems like a good thing.