243 on fallow bucks

No plain english the cm users don't have the seat up for num 1's as you are bunch of girls lol
💋 I love your polite responses Tim but on this occasion you can pop it up the anal tract (yours) :lol:

Nowt wrong with the Creed and the same is true of the trusty old .243 ...bullet in the right place = dead animal....bad operator = missed animal ..simples 👍
 
Was out last evening and shot two bucks with the .243, one dropped on the spot, the other ran 30 yards, although visibly I could see it was a good hit.

These fallow are on prime grass, making 90+kg larder weight, nevertheless the organs must be similar to other fallow.

A run of 30 yards is no big deal normally, but the neighbouring land owner is very much anti shooting and I’m wondering whether I should use the 7x57 on these to ensure a faster drop.

I was tempted but the 243 I have is cloverleafing at 100yards, do I give up some accuracy for the benefit of knockdown power?
Shot placement is key. Now’t wrong with 243, but if you have a 7x57 then I would using that on bigger deer. I have both, plus a 7x65R. I love my 243, and shot many reds as well as Roe, but the 7mm just has more authority.

But saying that, I have still had runners with all three. I have had runners with perfect shot placement where the deer should, according to the books, have been dead on the spot go 100m.

As regards runners and neighbours. Always expect deer to run and plan accordingly, and if its that close to the boundary then carefully consider whether or not to take the shot.
 
Some of my early accompanied stalking was done (seat down😂) with a 6.5 Creed and I loved it, but ended up buying a (seat up😲) .243 switch barrel (mainly for Roe and Munties)and now have a .308, which I prefer for fallow or anything bigger. For me this covers all bases!
 
I moved from a .243 to 7mm 08 for the same reason as the op. They still run, maybe not quite as far. Shoot with what you're comfortable with.
 
💋 I love your polite responses Tim but on this occasion you can pop it up the anal tract (yours) :lol:

Nowt wrong with the Creed and the same is true of the trusty old .243 ...bullet in the right place = dead animal....bad operator = missed animal ..simples 👍
Just facts my mate has a group of ladies come to him and all bar 1 they have a cm. Not sure how the world survived before they were made :coat:

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I’d say most run a little unless a CNS shot is taken or through both shoulders etc. As someone has said, relaxed, more likely to drop on the spot.

I personally would choose something accurate over a bit more power. But then again, you may get a bigger rifle that has both. Bullet choice is as important as anything.
 
Thanks for replies chaps. 7x57 is at moa , 243 is my go to foxing and deer rifle that shoots very well.

I think I need to do more ammo testing with the 7x57 to get a bit more confidence & tighter groups then use it for the bucks.
 
I changed from .243 to .270 for chest shooting fallow for exactly the sort of reason you state. I lost a bit of confidence in the ability of the .243 to knock them down.
However, with the wisdom of hindsight, I now know it was my shot placement that was at fault, and I would be quite happy to go back to using .243 for that purpose now I'm a bit more experienced.
This ^^^

Whack them in the ‘magic triangle’ & they fall over pretty reliably! Otherwise known variously as ‘pinning’, shoulder or hilar shooting. My 6mmBR will drop them on the spot at >200 yards (>>>200 yards) with a 95gn bullet.
 
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Was out last evening and shot two bucks with the .243, one dropped on the spot, the other ran 30 yards, although visibly I could see it was a good hit.

These fallow are on prime grass, making 90+kg larder weight, nevertheless the organs must be similar to other fallow.

A run of 30 yards is no big deal normally, but the neighbouring land owner is very much anti shooting and I’m wondering whether I should use the 7x57 on these to ensure a faster drop.

I was tempted but the 243 I have is cloverleafing at 100yards, do I give up some accuracy for the benefit of knockdown power?
If you’ve got the accuracy and don’t want them to run, head or neck shoot them.
 
This came up a while ago so might help 👍 The pic is to highlight the point...obviously you wouldnt shoot this hind where she is stood 👍

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I missed this when it came up and can't make any sense of the markings

The ♥️ spot marked will deffo put a deer down. I get that bit . Shoulders are gone so it stays put and significant H/L damage will kill humanely and quicky

What's the significance of the purple spot?
Looks High shoulder, But not even quite right and only an inch off a nasty oesophagus/throat mess

And what's the triangle. Makes no sense at all
There is no consistency between the areas enclosed.
The bottom point of it is definitely not putting the deer down nicely.
The front point is a completely different killing mechanism (heart) to the top point (spine) in which case if we are just marking places which can kill why not include the DSC1 placement and make it a diamond

Not having a go just don't understand the logic of any of it
 
I missed this when it came up and can't make any sense of the markings

The ♥️ spot marked will deffo put a deer down. I get that bit . Shoulders are gone so it stays put and significant H/L damage will kill humanely and quicky

What's the significance of the purple spot?
Looks High shoulder, But not even quite right and only an inch off a nasty oesophagus/throat mess

And what's the triangle. Makes no sense at all
There is no consistency between the areas enclosed.
The bottom point of it is definitely not putting the deer down nicely.
The front point is a completely different killing mechanism (heart) to the top point (spine) in which case if we are just marking places which can kill why not include the DSC1 placement and make it a diamond

Not having a go just don't understand the logic of any of it
Stop fussing about those marking just be clear in your own mind where you will put the round, what and how other people go about things has no bearing to your decisions as they are your own.
The truth is each time you are presented with a shot it is unique (it might be close) but the decision is yours.
 
I missed this when it came up and can't make any sense of the markings

The ♥️ spot marked will deffo put a deer down. I get that bit . Shoulders are gone so it stays put and significant H/L damage will kill humanely and quicky

What's the significance of the purple spot?
Looks High shoulder, But not even quite right and only an inch off a nasty oesophagus/throat mess

And what's the triangle. Makes no sense at all
There is no consistency between the areas enclosed.
The bottom point of it is definitely not putting the deer down nicely.
The front point is a completely different killing mechanism (heart) to the top point (spine) in which case if we are just marking places which can kill why not include the DSC1 placement and make it a diamond

Not having a go just don't understand the logic of any of it
The triangle is just showing the triangle formed by the shoulder and leg
 
I missed this when it came up and can't make any sense of the markings

The ♥️ spot marked will deffo put a deer down. I get that bit . Shoulders are gone so it stays put and significant H/L damage will kill humanely and quicky

What's the significance of the purple spot?
Looks High shoulder, But not even quite right and only an inch off a nasty oesophagus/throat mess

And what's the triangle. Makes no sense at all
There is no consistency between the areas enclosed.
The bottom point of it is definitely not putting the deer down nicely.
The front point is a completely different killing mechanism (heart) to the top point (spine) in which case if we are just marking places which can kill why not include the DSC1 placement and make it a diamond

Not having a go just don't understand the logic of any of it
The area you need to put your bullet in is called the autonomic plexus


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